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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 12:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other JST male connector has been mentioned in previous posts, it's a remnant from another use for the ESC, I just put some heat shrink over mine so it can't short out.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 12:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes, copilot on
brain off
went out of radio range
co-pilot kept her steady
steady all the way into a tree

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 1:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Went out of radio range??????? My word you mean you flew over 1 mile away? Or, did you mean you flew it out of visual range???

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 1:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary,

My thoughts on the ESC extra connector was more along the line of "I wonder what I can use that for ?" , not "should this be connected".

I love to tinker ... this weekend I put my pool pump controls on my computer so I could control them from the internet at work (while wife's eyes rolled in her head).

So I'm just curious what the function is and didn't have any luck finding that previous post you mentioned. Was that in this forum ?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 1:50 PM   
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 1:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary,

By the way, I noticed the printed manual for the Falcon has been corrected for proper english.

Is that your manual ?

If it is, I hope they gave you a little something for the effort !

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 6:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary...anyone....I'm trying to level out the rotor and am not clear on which gizmo has to be turned to achieve this...is it item 17 or item 7 on the schematic

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 6:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can start by using the trim levers on each stick, the up and down trim lever controls pitch, the one on the bottom horizontally controls yaw or side to side, try those first. If that doesn't do it you'll have to use the control rods that connect to the swash plate on the sides to get the swash level with the stick neutral. It should have come from the factory level and you can only check this with power on otherwise the servos may be off a little due to shipping. Hope this all makes sense, you'll need to do more tuning once you can get it in a hover. It needs to be at least waist height so your out of ground effect and be sure your outside so that it's not effected by being in a small room. I do most of my trimming flights with a new bird early morning when it's calm or late evening before sunset.

Yes they did use my updated manual for the new one and yes they compensated me for my time.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 6:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Gary, for the prompt reply. My request was misleading because I used the wrong terminology. I was trying to achieve blade tracking, as per the new manual, and I was confused about which ball link was to be adjusted? Number 17 or 7 on the parts exploded view. And thanks for all the help in the past. I received my replacement and it is an awesome machine. Too bad it had those growing pains in the beginning, but that's to be expected sometimes. Attila

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 7:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Attila, it's the #7 on the parts view. One thing before you fix the tracking though. If the tracking went off track after you had the blades hit the ground is that you probably have a bent spindle shaft. I'v had to take this part out several times to straighten it out because (lack of parts/$).

Real reason I went to post today... I love this damn helo!!!!

This thing is so much nicer to fly and more durable then my old Piccolo. It doesn't want to pitch up in forward flight (I can scratch my nose for a sec in forward flight and it stays true). Also today when I went to start it all the helo would do was beep at me. I was thinking mine finally Had a problem but it turns out I hadn't looked at my radio beforehand. The 3D switch was on and the esc wouldn't start up until I flipped the switch back. If you are thinking about buying this helo, stop thinking and buy it!

With the old stock charger (before the back order) there was an led that would light up whenever it was plugged in on the front. HL must need to open up one of the boxes and take a ganders at the new one.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 7:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks chestercopperpot....No I didn't crash it..(yet)...I was just confused in adjusting for the tracking...Only heli experience so far has been on Honeybee II FP...much simpler...How do you guys keep from not discharging the lipo too far? Could get expensive if it happened?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 7:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		other than the dean whats the other coonector on the baterry for again?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 7:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Gary said that was connected with another use for the speed controller. He just put some heat shrink on it so it wouldn't short out.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 7:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it's off of the battery then it must be for some type of balance charger.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 8:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		well it was about 300 meters away from me which is much less than i would have thought the radio would have range over.
if it wasn't range then something else happened as it just wouldn't respond to anything.
i've been having problems with that receiver since the lipoly incident and have been trying to get another receiver with some difficulty.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 8:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tracking is easily adjusted, the link on the blade grip is taken off gently so you don't damage it, they turn it one turn either clockwise or counterclockwise. Run your bird up to speed at look at the rotor disk, are you seeing just one blade or two? If one is above the other do the same thing again and be sure to make a note on which one your turning since of course there are two. If it gets worse, screw it the opposite direction plus one more turn and check again. If it's better keep doing the same thing until all you see from the side is one blade, you've just tracked your blades! Generally it only takes a turn or two to get it right if it can't be done with one or two turns of the link then either your dampening orings have been damaged or misaligned or you bent your spindle shaft in the case of having a crash. Hope this all makes sense.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 8:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary...the adjustment worked like a charm. Thanks

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 9:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		millst 300 meters is a very long way to fly a mini sized helicopter, the farthest I ever fly would probably be more like 300 to 500 feet away and that would be almost to far to tell what it's doing! Granted the system should give you that much range and more but I would strongly suggest you try to keep it close until your and accomplished pilot since loosing orientation is even easier the farther away it is. I generally fly in a vacant school playground which is probably 150 yards by 75 yards wide and the only time I'm ever farther than that is when I get really high up to do loops and rolls or fast descents.

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P.S. Nice Wilga there Attila do you fly one? Or did you just choose it for your avatar because you like it?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 9:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary...that is actually the forerunner of the Wilga and other STOL designs..it is the Fieseler Storch. I have a 46 inch one and an 82 inch one. The 82 is being retired, it is an Aviodelli kit and just to fragile. The leading edge slats were a real challange but got some shaped from Thorpe Engineering and that helped...

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 9:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gary....no rest for the weary...got one more issue....I noticed when I gave full stick direction on the tail rotor, the servo arm actually travels, or tries to, travel further than permitted by the hookup to the tail. It actually tries to bend the tail boom. I corrected this by loosening the servo and sliding it back towards to tail rotor, about 1/8th of an inch. That took care of the binding servo. Should I have addressed this differently?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 10:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		You want full travel on the rudder servo and here's how to do it. Plug everything in and let it initialize with the steady red light on the gyro. Slowly move your rudder full left then full right, does it bind in either direction? If so try to loosen the servo and move it so each direction has equal throw. If it still binds you can move the ball connector closer to the center position on the servo arm. You don't want any binding since binding will cause the servo to pull to much current and possibly burn out the servo. Since the Falcon has a heading hold servo it may be difficult to get it to go both ways equally. Another way is to plug the servo directly into the channel 4 slot on your receiver and repeat these same steps. You may have to make additional minor changes once you hover it to hold the tail still without it drifting. If it drifts left or right move the servo in the direction it needs to go to apply the same rudder command. If you use the trim lever to make this correction it will make the gyro think that wherever you moved it is center stick! Then you will have to adjust the trim all over again each time you plug in your battery pack. Hope this helps clear up your issues.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		erm no im not talking about the two pins off the esc... i m ean the 4 wires off the batteries other than the one with the dean connector

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 10:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		evoIX those are balancing wires your talking about. You can purchase a lipoly cell balancer that will connect to the connector on the end of those 4 wires to test the voltage to be sure the pack is balanced. This is a relatively new development so as to insure that the individual cells are equal, it prevents the possibility of over charging a cell and the possible fire or explosion that can happen. I personally don't use a cell balancer, as long as you do not deep cycle your lipo you should be fine and not have to use it. It's just another safety feature.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 11:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for the info gary , so the balancer makes sure each cells is charged equally? what do you mean deep cycle? like use below the recommended voltage and risk ruining the battery ?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 11:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, exactly, running it below the recommended 3 volts per cell.

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