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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/11/2006 11:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks a mil gary , glad to know there is always a master in heli in here. still trying to wait for the weekend to come for me to test fly the falcon.... still testing everything to make sure everything is good to go.

my friend's falcon just stripped his servo on his 1st day , talk about quality control. *laughs*

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		My Falcon 3D is on the way...just got the shipping email from HL !

Should be quite a change from the Schluter Superior I was flying
about <cough> years ago...anyway, I'm not too far from TN so I
should know by Wednesday or Thursday.

Just been reading the corrected manual, has anybody written a
tutorial on how to change the Xmitter from Mode 1 to Mode 2?

Gollum

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It comes standard with mode 2, only the European models have mode 1 as standard.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:34 AM   
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It comes standard with mode 2, only the European models have mode 1 as standard.

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Thanks...the manual only refers to Mode 1 so I was a little confused. Looking forward
to spending some quality time with this bird in the back yard in a couple of days.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:38 AM   
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Gary I'm new to this exciting hobby and have a falcon 3d coming, hopefully this week
I have a CX and a CP flying both everywhere except 3d on the CP

My question is , I'm not sure what mode 1 and mode 2 ?
any help thank you
charlie

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:53 AM   
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Gary I'm new to this exciting hobby and have a falcon 3d coming, hopefully this week
I have a CX and a CP flying both everywhere except 3d on the CP

My question is , I'm not sure what mode 1 and mode 2 ?
any help thank you
charlie


Since you are in IA, you are most likely flying mode 2 (throttle/collective on the left
stick, fwd/reverse cyclic on the right stick). The .pdf manual only refers to mode 1
(which I can't fly) and I was wondering whether there is a tutorial on how to mod the
xmitter to be mode 2. Per Gary's reply it is a non-issue <whew>. My thumbs are
trained for throtle and rudder on the left stick, fwd and lateral cyclic on the right. I'm
too old to try and learn another method LOL

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 12:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Fellas,

I'm back.. I posted awhile back that I had a crash and bent the tail boom and severed the tail shaft. Been waiting on parts since about 8/10/06. Finally got them today..9/11/06...

I've been reading all the post for weeks, I've learned a lot from all of you and appreciate all the help, and knowlegde from all.

Now, I need some help. I've never had a direct drive tail before, I'm totally new at this. Mechanically, I can take anything apart and put it back together, so that's not a problem. The Falcon has been torn down and was waiting part. So here's the questions.

Question 1: There are three bearings on the tail shaft, one at each end and one in the middle, do you use a drop of CA glue to keep them in position and do you need to lubricate the bearing.

Question 2: Are the pinion gears CA glued to the tail shaft at each end or just pressed on.

Thanks guys,

Dave / Choppersrule / The Old Guy




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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 1:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got my Falcon today, and I just had a successful first flight. There were LOTS of loose screws to tighen before flying, and the blades were badly unbalanced, but after correcting this stuff, it flies great! I still need to turn down the gain on the gyro a bit, since was getting a tiny bit of tail wag, but it hovered rock solid, and the blade tracking is perfect.

Man, this thing is SO MUCH easier to fly than a Blade CP


p.s. Here's something that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up: After taking it out and hovering it for about 1 minute, I sat it down to recharge the battery (I'm breaking the new lipo in, so I'm doing a few short flights followed by recharge...)

After bringing it in, I noticed that I had forgotten to check the motor mount bolts, and they were VERY loose! One of them came all the way out of the motor, and the other was only about 1/2 way screwed into the motor can! What blows my mind is that it flew quite well like this... Imagine that...


So far, I am very pleased with this heli. I'm not too impressed with the TX, but it's about what I expected it to be, and in all fairness, it seems to work well. I'm going to be getting a computer radio soon, so it's a non issue for me anyway.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 1:26 AM   
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Congrats on the first flight, motor is awesome. It was definately a hair raising experience for my, what power compared to the CP.

Yes the TX has something to be desired, but considering the whole package and cost it's a steal. I've never had a prob. with my TX.

I finally got my parts today for the Falcon, tail boom and tail shaft. Should be back in the air in a day or two. Work keepsgetting in the way.


Best of luck,

Dave / Choppersrule

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 1:43 AM   
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Glad you're back!
Regarding the bearings ... I think that the way mine was set up is that the center bearing has a slight dimple on each side of the bearing as if very lightly tapped with a punch and the end bearings had a single slight dimple to keep the bearing from drifting into the tailboom. I would imagine that CA would work, but what I would do is put the bearings on the driveshaft and placing a very small amount of CA to glue the inner bearing race in place on the shaft. Do this with all three bearings being sure not to get any into the bearings. Then just slide the driveshaft with bearings CA'd in place into the tailboom. Then once they are in place you could secure the outer race of the bearings with the slight dimple as noted above.
This is how I did mine and it worked fine. You might want to wait for feedback from others as well to see if there is a better way.

Hey Chop got my Co-Pilot today ... sure is small and lightweight. I'll keep ya posted on how the install goes ... probably won't get to that until next weekend though. Good luck on getting the tail back together and secure. (not sure about the CA holding the gears, but I think from factory the front gear is CA'd and the back gear is pushed on)

Ct420,
Congrats on the new Falcon ... yes, it's good to go through it completely to be sure of the screws, thanks for the heads up on the motor screws, I'll be checking mine out again to be sure.

Sure is a fun heli though ... got to agree with ya!
Good luck and enjoy!

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 2:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Update on the Motor:

It appears that the problem is that one of the screws was over-tightened or cross-threaded when the heli was assembled, and now the threads in the motor can are stripped.

Looks like I'll be contacting hobby-lobby to see about a replacement motor


Ohwell, it's just one of those things, I suppose...

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 2:22 AM   
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Glad to be back. Won't get into all the details, but have been working 45 to 50 hours a week. My father-in-law was in Mayo Clinic in Minnesto, wife took leave of absense, been alone for 3 weeks. Had to do all the house stuff plus work. Now everyone is okay, so back to the heli world.

Thanks so much for the info on the tail shaft and pinion installation, as I mentioned, I'm new to the direct drive, always had the CP before. It may be a little bit more expensive with the Falcon on a tail boom strike, than the CP, but not enough to change my mind.

The Falcon is definately way to go.


Thanks again,

Dave / Choppersrule

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 2:29 AM   
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Chopper again,
Just an fyi for those that may be interested in the Falcon 3D SE. I sent HL an e-mail asking when available and price. There not sure yet on price but will carry them. Said to watch there site for availability. See below:

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Dave,

I wish I had ballpark figures, but the details are still being worked out. I know we're getting it, but that's unfortunately about the extent of the information at this point. As soon as we have solid information it will be listed on the website. Please let me know if I can help any further.

Thank you,
Andrew Adams
Sales/Customer Service
615-373-1444 ext.213

Hobby Lobby International, Inc.
5614 Franklin Pike Cir.
Brentwood, TN 37027





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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:08 PM
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Hi Folks,

Just a curious question, when will the Falcon 3D SE be available and a ball park purchase price?

Thanks in advance,

Dave / Choppersrule / Indianapolis, IN


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 5:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey guys , i bent the main rotors spindle , part #11 on the manual .. it says cross bar. how do i take it out? i try to unscrew it but it wont budge and afraid to strip the screws. any tips? i wontder if they assemble it with glue in it =(

and on the tail shaft , mine only has 2 bearings on it. one at each end. is there suppose to be a center ball bearing?



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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 2:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The tail shaft has 3 bearings, one is probably stuck inside the boom. You'll have to take the screws out to get the spindle out, try using a soldering iron on one end to get the loctite to release.
As far as the gears on the tail drive shaft they are designed to be press fitted, if the press fit no longer is tight you can apply a small amount of thick CA but you'll have to be very fast when you press the drive shaft back on the gear otherwise you won't get it in all the way. If that does happen or if you are replacing a glued gear you can use a monocote heat gun and heat up the part and the CA will release. Just don't over do it and melt the gear!!! I recommend glueing in the center bearing with CA, apply a drop in the center of the drive shaft then quickly slide the bearing over the CA so it will hold. Be very careful here since you don't want to get CA in the bearing, if you do it will ruin it so don't over do the CA!!!
If the spindle shaft isn't bent too badly you can place it on a flat hard surface and using a hammer gently tap it until it's round again, this should at least get you flying again until you can order a replacement. Be sure the rubber orings are in place inside the head otherwise blade tracking will go to h*ll on you. If you new flyers haven't read Radd's school of rotary flight you should cause you wouldn't be crashing and having to replace parts! Put on your training gear at first until you can saftely hover at least a pack out in a 3x3' space!
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 4:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		eviox, I had a hard time getting this off the first time also. You need to somehow secure the main rotor so that it wont spin when you are trying to unscrew the shaft from both ends.

1. Take off the blades.

2. Take off both main rotor wing grips.

3. Unscrew both ends of the spindle shaft at the same time while you somehow keep it from spinning and not stabbing both your hands with the screw drivers (I just bite the fly bar paddle to keep it from spinning).

4. Pull out the spindle shaft from the side of the shaft that still has the screw on it, the bearings should come off of the side w/o a screw if you try hard enough.

5. Take all parts out and fix (don't hammer the ends cause threads go bend).

6. Reassemble, crash and repeat.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 5:31 PM   
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http://www.art-tech.cn/english/ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=151

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 5:39 PM   
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Art-Techs 3D SE page now shows Al case /cf blades

http://www.art-tech.cn/english/ArticleShow.asp?ArticleID=151



yeppers, they got us salivating here... looks like they're trying to give the mighty Trex a run!!!

I'm awaiting the HL buyers to give us price & availability



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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 5:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		chesterchoppetnot: lol yea i tried to do it that way but the screws just wont budge. i wonder if they use loctite inside there

gary: so putting the soldering iron for how long to make sure it release? are they suppose to be loctite in there? i wouldnt want to belt those plastic composite rotor head with the heat.

a lot of new falcon owners already =)

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 6:03 PM   
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 6:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes there should be loctite on those screws, the blue kind that's not permanent! If you apply a little heat with a soldering iron it will melt any loctite and allow it to loosen up. As often as I'm hearing loose screws I doubt that yours has loctite on it but heat will help to loosen it up just use common sense and don't overheat it.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 6:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME... My wife just gave me a Flacon 3D for my birthday. I'm going to download the new manual right now (thanks Gary) and start reading. The Ch 5 switch on my TX is labeled “CH5 dummy” what is that switch suppose to do? I’ve also read about the new chargers not having a LED, mine does not have a LED either. BJETT80 had a great explanation on how the charger works, but I’m still confused on how to tell if the battery is charged?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 6:49 PM   
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 6:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Originally the channel 5 switch was used to put the gyro in non-heading hold mode, since Art-Tech felt that most would have problems flying in rate mode they opted to disconnect the channel 5 switch so folks wouldn't flip the switch and loose their helicopter in flight. Hollywood you will need to get a volt meter to check the battery before and after charge to be able to tell if it's charged, for the life of me I don't know why they stopped using the charger with LED's! The new Falcons come with the revised manual so you'll have the one I edited when you get your Falcon. As Chester said use the training gear until your comfortable flying it or you will surely crash if your not and accomplished heli pilot. Give yourself several weeks practice before attempting flying minus the training gear and take it slow. Congradulations on joining the Falcon Squadron!

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 9/12/2006 7:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hobby Lobby has already responded to my problem, and is offering to replace the whole heli with a new one. THIS is why I bought the Falcon. There were a few other helis that I was seriously considering, but I was worried about support with most of those.

I knew HL would stand behind the Falcon, and indeed, it appears that they are


After only ever having flown an E-sky Lama2, and a Blade CP, the Falcon seems amazing. From the little flying I've done so far, I can tell that it is very smooth and well behaved in the air, and had tons of power (at least for a novice like me).

I'm going to be replacing most of the phillips screws with good quality hex head ones soon. Really, the cheapo hardware on the Falcon is probably the only complaint I have about it, but really, it's no big deal. Easy enough to remedy

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