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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 12:17 AM

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I love this thread, it has been around forever and I have met a ton of people from it. Like Simages and Gary (The one who started it).

Is everyone still flying their Falcons? I have two and part for three more. I fly them about 50% of the time the rest is my Trex600 elec.

Cheers everyone.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 12:31 AM

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I've been having problems locating a set of night-blades for my Night Falcon 3D... I broke my last set 2 months ago when the side-to-side cyclic servo locked up on the heli in flight one night. It rolled over to the right and went into the ground while I'm giving it more and more left cyclic (post-crash showed the servo was dead, so it wasn't dumb-thumbs and my orientation was tail-in and the heli not that far away). Everybody is out of stock on the 290mm Tri-Light night blades I used on it.

I've really not flown much since that crash earlier this summer. My big X-Cell's have been giving me engine tuning grief, the Night Falcon 3D has no night blades, and we've been having a VERY hot summer here in Texas.... you can get dizzy within 15 minutes or so of standing out in the direct sunlight at our club's flying field on a 100F plus day! Been there, done that, it's scary!

I very recently bought a Walkera Lama 2 and have been playing with it in the house... very tiny little heli, small enough to fly circuits in even my living room (which is of course AIR CONDITIONED!!!). LOL!

Once we get some cooler weather this Fall I'll start doing more flying outside... maybe those darned night-blades will be available again too! I loved flying the Falcon at night when it was cooler and the air calmer!!!

- Michael

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 9:05 AM

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Hi guys,

I have the falcon se, I would like to know, where is the end points stored? Is it stored in the TX, or the ESC? I would like to reset it. I changed the batteries on the transmitter, now I don't have the pitch that i need to take off. I have only 5 Degrees of play when I lock it. But when i have it on adjust i have about 18 Degrees to select, but i can't lock it in. Does anyone know how i can reset this, or how i can reprogram it? Or do i have a faulty TX or ESC, what shoud i do.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 9:15 AM

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I've been having problems locating a set of night-blades for my Night Falcon 3D... I broke my last set 2 months ago when the side-to-side cyclic servo locked up on the heli in flight one night. It rolled over to the right and went into the ground while I'm giving it more and more left cyclic (post-crash showed the servo was dead, so it wasn't dumb-thumbs and my orientation was tail-in and the heli not that far away). Everybody is out of stock on the 290mm Tri-Light night blades I used on it.

I've really not flown much since that crash earlier this summer. My big X-Cell's have been giving me engine tuning grief, the Night Falcon 3D has no night blades, and we've been having a VERY hot summer here in Texas.... you can get dizzy within 15 minutes or so of standing out in the direct sunlight at our club's flying field on a 100F plus day! Been there, done that, it's scary!

I very recently bought a Walkera Lama 2 and have been playing with it in the house... very tiny little heli, small enough to fly circuits in even my living room (which is of course AIR CONDITIONED!!!). LOL!

Once we get some cooler weather this Fall I'll start doing more flying outside... maybe those darned night-blades will be available again too! I loved flying the Falcon at night when it was cooler and the air calmer!!!

- Michael

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 5:44 PM

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Hi guys,

I have the falcon se, I would like to know, where is the end points stored? Is it stored in the TX, or the ESC? I would like to reset it. I changed the batteries on the transmitter, now I don't have the pitch that i need to take off. I have only 5 Degrees of play when I lock it. But when i have it on adjust i have about 18 Degrees to select, but i can't lock it in. Does anyone know how i can reset this, or how i can reprogram it? Or do i have a faulty TX or ESC, what shoud i do.

Endpoints are set from the TX, but changing the TX batteries should not have changed them... I'm not sure which TX your Falcon SE came with, but both style TX's have 2 rotary knobs on them.... one knob controls the endpoints on the pitch (right knob I believe), the other controls the hovering pitch at mid-stick (left knob, I believe). More than likely you've accidentally turned one or both of these knobs and now it has the pitch settings all out of whack. Disconnect 1 of the 3 motor wires so that the motor cannot start up, then power everything on and with your throttle stick at mid-stick adjust the left knob till the blades appear about level (0 degrees) and then adjust the other knob till you get pretty good pitch at top-stick and again at bottom stick. Then power it all down, reconnect the motor wire, and power it all back up again and try to hover.

Hope this helps.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2009 5:46 PM

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They are starting to become rare for some reason, try these for a size
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Thanks but I'm aware of those DIY night blades and don't feel comfortable having stuff stuck on the outside of spinning blades. I really need integrated night blades.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2009 5:25 AM

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Hi Michael,

The TX that came with my Falcon SE has the lock and adjust switch, I'm hoping someone out there has one aswell and knows how to reset the end points.So really want I want to have is a bigger servo throw. Atm I have only 5 Degrees in lock position in servo throw (Pitch arm). I want atleast 12 Degrees of servo throw in normal mode. The way it was suppossed to be factory standard. You know what I am saying right. I dont know if my transmitter is faulty or not. I know about the functions of the knobs, I just need to know how do i lock in a bigger servo throw for my Pitch arm. I have tried your suggestion, and it is still the same end points i get about 5-6 Degrees of servo throw. So let say my low throttle is set at 0 Degree Pitch, My high throttle would be at 5 Degrees Pitch. therefor i only get 5 degrees of servo throw. That is in the lock position and in normal mode. But If i set it to adjust with the knobs adjustments I can have almost 15 Degrees of play. I would like to lock that 15 degrees of play in my normal mode. Do you get me? At the moment I have tried all sorts of ways. nothing has improved it. I will come to the point where i will replace this TX and just put it in the bin. I will use the ESKY BELT CP V2 TX, hopefully that would be ok to use on this falcon.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2009 6:02 PM

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I've no idea what this "lock" thing is you're referring to. I'm only familiar with the original V1 Falcon TX and my Futaba 9CH TX (which is what I actually use now with the Falcon, having tossed the Falcon TX a long time ago).

Are you sure you have all your servo leads plugged into the RX correctly? Pitch and Throttle can appear to behave similarly if they are swapped on the RX, but they are not the same. I'd suggest checking your servo leads to the RX if those dial knobs don't seem to have any effect on your pitch.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2009 7:49 PM

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Hi falconman,

I have a Falcon V2 that came with E-fly 100C TX. The TX manual says that the the lock/adjust switch behaves like this: "adjust" -> you can adjust all knobs; "lock" -> flying mode, tiny mix 1 and 2 are locked (these being the two knobs on the upper side of the TX). But it isn't clear about what happens when you use the switch in "lock", if it retains the last setting, or a generic setting. I use it on "adjust", always; i'll try it in "lock" an post the results this weekend.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2009 9:06 PM

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Could "Lock" be the same as the 3d/Normal mode switch on the V1 TX? In 3D position, the TX ignores the dials and goes with internal pre-configured (and non-adjustable) pitch and throttle settings. Only in Normal mode position would the dials adjust the pitch settings. But, the pitch settings in 3D mode were on the order of +10, 0, -10 degrees pitch designed for inverted flight capabilities. I don't think the F3D is capable of more than +10 to -10 degrees of pitch... you could have +12 to -8 perhaps, but to keep the pitch curve even with 0 degrees at mid-stick you're only going to get about 10 degrees of blade deflection either way. Besides, more than 10 degrees of pitch would really bog down the Art-Tech gold motor no doubt!

- Michael

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 9:23 AM

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Thanks you guys, I hope one us can figure this lock mode main function and if it is capable of locking a set of Pitch and Throttle Curves. I did however out of trial and error change the TX and RX and replaced it with a Esky Belt CP V2. I did get very high amounts of pitch, to choose from in the ESKY Belt CP TX this is my settings

Normal Mode: -3/0/+12
3d/Idle1: -11/0/+11.

This was good news, however since the ESkY TX is a CCPM TX, as I increased the throttle all three servos moved, which is typical for a ccpm setup, I have tried to play around with the jumpers, but that did no good. So it's not all doom and gloom. I know now that I can use my walkera 2801 TX I just ordered 2 x 2801 RX, and I will be using that when it arrives. But it would be good to see if i could get this lock mode to work on how it's suppossed to. But one thing that has also baffled me is on 3d mode on the Falcon TX I am only gettin -4/0/+5 is there anyway i can increase the end points or servo throw here, with this TX. I would love to get his bird back to it's original condition, and set the settings to the way it's suppossed to be.

Thank you

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 9:24 AM

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Hi falconman,

I have a Falcon V2 that came with E-fly 100C TX. The TX manual says that the the lock/adjust switch behaves like this: "adjust" -> you can adjust all knobs; "lock" -> flying mode, tiny mix 1 and 2 are locked (these being the two knobs on the upper side of the TX). But it isn't clear about what happens when you use the switch in "lock", if it retains the last setting, or a generic setting. I use it on "adjust", always; i'll try it in "lock" an post the results this weekend.

Gerry.-

It would be really good to know the purpose of this lock mode. I mean to lock a set of Pitch and Throttle Curves with this current TX would be fantastic

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 9:36 AM

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Could "Lock" be the same as the 3d/Normal mode switch on the V1 TX? In 3D position, the TX ignores the dials and goes with internal pre-configured (and non-adjustable) pitch and throttle settings. Only in Normal mode position would the dials adjust the pitch settings. But, the pitch settings in 3D mode were on the order of +10, 0, -10 degrees pitch designed for inverted flight capabilities. I don't think the F3D is capable of more than +10 to -10 degrees of pitch... you could have +12 to -8 perhaps, but to keep the pitch curve even with 0 degrees at mid-stick you're only going to get about 10 degrees of blade deflection either way. Besides, more than 10 degrees of pitch would really bog down the Art-Tech gold motor no doubt!

- Michael

Hey Michael, I'm trying to understand the term dial, I know those knobs but does dialin the Pitch and Throttle Curves on this falcon 3d is that possible, as in pre programming the desired curves (cutom curves). As with the motor I have changed the ESC and Motor. I have put in an Outrunner Motor 3800kv with a 30A ESC Mystery. It was flying ok until I don't know if it was a battery change over on the TX. But I highly doubt that would take affect on it either.

Thank you

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 5:35 PM

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Dial or knob, i'm referring to the same control on the TX.

You can't exactly set the pitch and throttle curves with either F3D TX, you can only modify the built in pitch curve in normal flight mode with those 2 knobs. 1 knob sets the max pitch, the other adjusts the pitch at mid-stick. That's all I know to tell you... changing the TX battery did not cause your problem IMO.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 5:39 PM

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But one thing that has also baffled me is on 3d mode on the Falcon TX I am only gettin -4/0/+5 is there anyway i can increase the end points or servo throw here, with this TX.

Paul, check your servo plugs on the RX... make sure that they are plugged into the correct slots. It almost sounds like you have the throttle (from the ESC) and the pitch servo plugs reversed.

Also on your pitch servo is the link out as far as it can go on the servo arm? That's another way of changing the amount of overall pitch, moving the link in or out on the pitch servo arm.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 5:45 PM

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Hi Michael,

Glad to see you're still flying that falcon3d.

DIY Nite Blades, I've done it for the falcon and a Trex500. It works very well but like you said, things on the outside of the blades spinning at very high RPMs = DANGER. But lets be honest, these helis are all danger period.

I can't remember if the thread says to use CA on them before you heat shrink it down but I did. Scuff that area before you start mounting batteries and such so it glues/heat shrinks better.
Here is a vid of it from when I was still learning to hover my Falcon3d.
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On another note, I'm selling my Falcon3d. Let me know if anyone is interested from this thread. I would much rather it go to someone from here.

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They are starting to become rare for some reason, try these for a size
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Thanks but I'm aware of those DIY night blades and don't feel comfortable having stuff stuck on the outside of spinning blades. I really need integrated night blades.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 5:58 PM

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Hey Critterz, how have you been?

It has been a long time haven't talked to you since the MyFalcon3d.com days. What are you flying now since you are selling your falcon?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 6:25 PM

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Hi Terry!

You know, your picture/icon looks very slick but very different from before! Oh wow, did you take the site down? Just tired to go to the address and no luck.

Man this thread has been going for OMG such a long long long time. Lots of learning but also fantastic memories and people here just in this thread alone......., I still think of Ralph all the time, Steve hasn't been heard from in a long time too. Think he has some knee issues a while back.
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Yes I'm selling my Falcon since it's sitting around without a motor/esc and servos because I took it out to build a flying wing. Those things are fun but just not as fun as a heli.

I now fly a Trex500CF but batteries are a bit expensive and a Trex600NSP. Bigger bird is a bit easier to see and fly but dang, finding places to fly them is one hell of a roadblock!

What have you been up to?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/21/2009 6:50 PM

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Hi Terry!

You know, your picture/icon looks very slick but very different from before! Oh wow, did you take the site down? Just tired to go to the address and no luck.

Man this thread has been going for OMG such a long long long time. Lots of learning but also fantastic memories and people here just in this thread alone......., I still think of Ralph all the time, Steve hasn't been heard from in a long time too. Think he has some knee issues a while back.
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Yes I'm selling my Falcon since it's sitting around without a motor/esc and servos because I took it out to build a flying wing. Those things are fun but just not as fun as a heli.

I now fly a Trex500CF but batteries are a bit expensive and a Trex600NSP. Bigger bird is a bit easier to see and fly but dang, finding places to fly them is one hell of a roadblock!

What have you been up to?

Thanks man, yeah I took down the old falcon site but have a Falcon3D spot on my new site. MyRCHelicopters.com. I was getting a ton of requests for other birds to be listed and then domain name did not work anymore for that. I just redid the site, so if you get a chance take a look and let me know what you think.

I still have two of my Falcons and do play with them, but I went to a Trex600 electric and just love it. I know what you mean about flying. I am working on a club in my town and they have a spot we will be able to use which is away from anything so we'll see.

Take care man, it was great to talk to ya again.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/22/2009 12:20 AM

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Hey Michael,

The connections are fine, the pitch control arm are fine. The servo can push it out to +12 and -12. I figured it out after so loong that it was my transmitter. On 3D I can only get -5/0/+5 that's on idle1!! On normal mode: -2/0/+6. And when i flick the D/R switch it didn't make a difference, the servo throw is still the same. I get this buzzing sound too on the RX when I flick that D/R switch. Oh well, I'll be getting a new RX in the mail shortly and I'll use my 2801 TX for this bird. As for this TX this will be my new Sim controller. After all the hearache, I still love this bird. I want to get a T250 Pro or a Gaui Hurricane EP, these small birds are soo much fun, it's like a love hate relationship. Where pain and love interact! Thank you Michael for all your help, I hope you end up finding your nite blades. I'll be here if you need anything. Happy Flying!

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/22/2009 1:56 AM

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As for this TX this will be my new Sim controller.

If the problem is in the TX, then it won't work for a sim controller (for sim heli's anyways).

One of the best upgrades you can do for the Falcon 3D is to get another TX for it IMHO! LOL!

Be sure to get yourself a small heli pitch guage as well (if you don't already have one). And be sure to set up a Throttle Hold switch on the new TX... TH is invaluable for when tail failures occur!!!

Regards!

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/23/2009 1:32 PM

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Hey Critterz, how have you been?
It has been a long time haven't talked to you since the MyFalcon3d.com days. What are you flying now since you are selling your falcon?
Terry

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Hey guys...... One of the coolest Falcon3D story's is the fact that Ka-Planes sold their first Falcon3D to Juneebear on 3/19/07, then purchased it back from him one year later on 3/19/08........

However; the most coolest thing about my Falcon is that it brought me back to the hobby when my fiancée gave me one for Christmas in 2006 and still seem to make ARTFs from RTFs..........

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/24/2009 3:47 PM

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Simages,

How the heck are you. I can't believe it has been so long...

I tried to send you a email, but I must of lost your new one.

I still think the KA-Planes story is tops.

I hope to keep in touch better from now on.

Talk to ya later,

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/24/2009 6:12 PM

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Simages,
How the heck are you. I can't believe it has been so long...
I tried to send you a email, but I must of lost your new one.
I still think the KA-Planes story is tops.
I hope to keep in touch better from now on.
Talk to ya later,
Terry

You have my correct email, sorry for the delay in replying to the new site. I went to register and it timed out after submitting.....
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 1/11/2010 5:36 AM

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Long time no posts... I FINALLY found a set of Tri-Light night-blades for my Night Falcon 3D from an Ebay Seller based in South Korea! For whatever reason, he has a bunch of them and the price was right... took less than 4 days for a set to arrive! Heck, US Sellers take longer than that oftentimes to get product shipped. Anyhows, they charged right up and stay bright for almost 45 minutes before needing a recharge so I'm a happy happy camper!

Also I finally found what has been plaguing me with the heli wobbling in flight... the headspeed has been too high of all things! Here I was convinced I had a mechanical problem, and this afternoon I finally dialed my throttle curve down to a max of 45% and the heli finally settled down and started flying stable again like it used to! Now I've seen larger nitro heli's shake and shimmy when their headspeed is just too high, but I've never seen or heard of a heli wobbling around like this because of an over-speeding head! Geez! (Note: I'm using a Futaba 9CH transmitter and outrunner brushless motor on my 2 Falcon 3D's, so I have to do my own setup of pitch and throttle curves and I guess these little blue outrunner motors are just a little too fast and powerful or something... but oh well, I'm a happy camper now with both a day and a night Falcon 3D to play with!).

Anybody else still have a flying Falcon 3D anymore or am I the last one left?

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