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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/16/2006 7:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Way to go a68fan, you will really enjoy it, it's so much better than trying to learn on a fixed pitch helicopter. I wish I had had the Falcon when I started, I would probably be doing serious 3D if I had practiced on it as much as I did my other helicopters.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/16/2006 10:51 PM   
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Congrats on your order of the Falcon. You'll love it, just go slow at first and put the training gear on for the first several flights

Good luck and happy flying,


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 11:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just received my Falcon 3D (my second heli ... just learned on a HB MK2).

FIRST BATTERY

- Seems to have awesome (almost scary) power compared to the HB
- More sensitive to control inputs than the HB ... but easy to hover and pretty stable
- HH Gyro works great - tail is very steady
- Minor vibration (haven't balanced blades yet)


SECOND BATTERY - PROBLEMS ARISE

- Blades balanced - no vibration evident
- 1st Hover - very smooth
- 2nd hover attempt - LOST TAIL ROTOR CONTROL - can't control yaw
The nut on the tail rotor shaft was loose so the whole tail rotor blades would slide
on the shaft instead of changing pitch. Tightened nut and I'm ready to go again.
- 3rd hover attempt - LOST SPEED CONTROL / MOTOR FAILURE
Not clear if it's the receiver/ESC/motor .... I'm guessing the ESC. The motor speed
is intermittent, it will run at very low idle but go any faster and it will just shut down.
Sometimes it still works and runs ok ... but idle down and it may shut down again.
Sometimes it seems to grind at low idle ... but with power off and hand rotation everything is
smooth. Maybe a symptom of losing one phase of the motor ? Sometimes it seems like the
motor is pulsing rapidly on/off several times a second. Any opinions, experts ?

So, back to Hobby-Lobby for a replacement (I hope). Overall the heli seems to be ruggedly
built. I'm not to keen on the number of linkages used ... seems an opportunity for slop and is
more stuff to break/repair. But you get a rugged airframe, 1300 mah lipoly and brushless motor
for the best price I've seen. And don't forget the laughs you'll get from reading the manual ...
like pg. 18 ... "make sure control plate doesn't have fictitious potential". Got to watch that
fictitious potential !

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 12:26 PM   
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 1:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope you read the updated manual as I have suggested and posted for all to review. Loose screws and connectors are the certain early demise of a new helicopter. Be sure to check everything that moves or rotates. I used loctite on the screw your talking about as well as the pitch slider ball connection, mine was loose from the factory. It does sound like your motor has problems. Hobby Lobby will make it right for you no doubt. If you can get through the initial setup and trimming you should have a really great flyer. As you have said the power is incredible! Once your comfortable flying it you can go to full collective and the Falcon will climb like a homesick Angel! I'm sure it could be out of sight in less than 30 seconds! Oh and watch out for that ficticious potential, it will get you everytime!


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 5:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right you are, Gary !

As I fired up my Falcon for the first time, I knew I was breaking 2 rules
you layed out :

1) Balance the blades.
2) Check the screws and connectors.

In my defense I did check the screws and connectors by hand. Next time
I will actually test-tighten with an allen wrench before calling them good.

One question though .... whats an easy way to pull apart those battery ultraplugs ?

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 5:28 PM   
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Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with yours Bjett80, I bet HL fixes right up ... I think they are known for their good service by most.
Good Luck and I hope you get up and flying soon!

I've had my Falcon 3D for 3 days now and the only problem I've had is the "Transmitter Operator".

Do check out the Revised Falcon 3D Manual (it IS a large file, so dial-up users beware). The "Pre-Flight" checklist may save you some grief ...

I had my first hard landing the other day, my hover got out of control due to a wind gust and that darn malfunctioning, "Transmitter Operator"..
Set it down from about 3 feet HARD and had the cyclic all the way back, so when it hit the ground, the blades hit the tail boom (I had balanced the blades, but didn't tighten them up enough so there was a small amount of slop at the blade grips ... stupid me ), but the frame and landing gear all held up fine. The reason I mention this is because I worked on the repair yesterday and really got aquanted with this heli.
I removed the tail boom and everything attached, was able to fix the existing boom by forcing the dents out from inside, tweaked it for straightness, checked everything else out and put it all back together. Tried it out and she's working great again ... Didn't cost a penny ... and it's back up and running fine now ... YEAH! ...

During the repair, it really helped me understand exactly how everything works on the heli and how it's engineered. It gave me a chance to check every screw and learn how to set the tail servo and make some adjustments that were needed after my, very abrupt, landing. I feel much closer to my heli now and I think the process will even help me learn to hover and fly better. This a nice sturdy heli with well thought out design and with proper maintenance and care is a real winner in my book.

Just wanted to relay that crashes are going to happen but that the heli actually holds up very well, I think my landing would have done in some helis, repairs are not that difficult if you take the time and have the right tools. All part of the process but the important thing is to get back to flyin' ... or in my case ... learning to hover ...

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 9:53 PM   
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the falcon 3d vs the honeybee king

any thoughts for an intermediate pilot thinking of upgrading from a blade cp??

thanks in advance!

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/17/2006 10:19 PM   
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I was looking online at the Honey Bee King and it's specs.

The one thing I like about the Falcon was that it's a ready to fly heli.
Everything included, except the batteries for the Transmitter.

Also, it has a brushless motor and a head holding gyro already installed.

Looking at the parts list for the Honey Bee, I don't believe that the motor is brushless. And I can't really tell about the gryo.
Too, it's an ARF, but if you enjoy the building aspect, that should present a problem for you.

I'm sure Gary can help on this one.

It's always, always a hard decision,
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/18/2006 12:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		choppersrule thx

here's an ebay link for the King, fully RTF, at $210 shipped:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6066663541&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1

about $100 bucks less than the Falcon, shipped... that's 100 bucks for batteries & spares!!
other pros about thye King: Esky been around a while...sold a ton of Kings... parts avail from hobby-lobby & helidirect...
cons: maybe the King is not as cutting-edge as the Falcon

also, there's the manual.. my CP manual was fairly good, but I've heard horror stories about the manuals on some of these others...how to the manuals for the King & Falcon compare??

since these birds are similar in price what I'd love to see is a head-to-head comparison review & test...Falcon vs King... know anybody who's had experience w/ both?





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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/18/2006 1:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		About the deans plugs they get easier to take apart after a few times using them but they are a real bear the first time you try to remove them. The Falcon is probably a little more robust than the King and has a more powerful motor. I've seen the King fly and it flies well but I think the Falcon is probably a better value for the money. As far as crashing, unfortunately it's all part of the game, all helicopters crash, even real ones. Since they respond so fast and they are twitchy it's very easy to make a mistake and have and incident. Parts for the Falcon are relatively cheap so even if you do crash you can generally get it back in the air without breaking the bank. When I started out I crashed often, now that I've had several years of experience it doesn't happen very often but it still happens. I crashed my brand new Trex SE after only three flights, it was a programming error on my part, I didn't have the Gyro programed in idle up! We all make mistakes but if you can get your helicopter trimmed out and flying well you'll be on your way to having many enjoyable flights with it. For the money, it's a very rewarding feeling to be able to fly helicopters. After all not everyone can fly one, it takes practice, confidence, and good coordination to fly well. These attributes take time to develop and that's part of the reward. If it were easy we'd all loose interest and find something that challenges us more!
As far as the manual for the Falcon, I rewrote it and Skyup put it into PDF format so it's 100% better than it was. I also included a preflight checklist that will help any new fliers.


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 1:13 AM   
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As some of you know I am on my second 3D. The first one had tail rotor gyro problems. Bad crash. The second one that I received was fine on the first 4 flights, however, I was going through pre flight routine this morning, attached the battery, servos came to life and then puff the thing caught on fire. I put the fire out and then found the source. It came from the battery connector on the bottom.

My thoughts on this heli are that it is a POS! Sorry to all that think differently by two time with malfunctions means to me that they are shotty.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 1:16 AM   
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 1:46 AM   
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You have been having a tough go on this heli.

I'd be on the phone ASAP and explain your problems. Usually hobby-lobby is a pretty understanding company and may replace the Falcon at no cost. They have been around for years and years.

Don't let this get you down.... I know it's hard

I've had about 10 successful flights so far with no problems at all.. Only pilot error. So far, I've only broken one set of blades.


Sorry your having such tuff go on this,


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 1:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		choppersrule, how does she fly? I'd like to u/g from my BCP to a bigger elec heli, and am looking at the HB King or Falcon 3D... how does the Falcon fly? what did you have before? thx for the input

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 2:33 AM   
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Such a hard decision.

I started with the Blade Cx for several months, got very proficent with it. Landing in my hand, and all that good stuff. Moved up to the Blade CP, had problems at first, but flying it pretty well now. I'm always looking for something new, a new challenge per say.

I saw the Falcon for a very resonable price and got one. No research, just got it.

So far, I'm very happy with the Falcon. I have about 10 flights on it with no problems.. One pilot error, broken blades.

It's very stable and easy to fly... I don't know anything about the HB King, just what I've read. I'm sure you have too.

I'm sure you've seen the specifications, it comes with a brushless motor, a head holding gyro, direct tail drive.

When I first spooled it up, I couldn't believe the power. Almost scary compared to the CP.

It's size is almost identical to a T-Rex.

So many things to consider,


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 2:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Medic99, sorry to hear about your problems, but like anything in life unfortunately nothings perfect. As Chopper said I'd call Hobby-Lobby and explain to them what happened. They do stand behind their products. I've not heard of anyone else having that problem. I've had everything from a Hornet to a Piccolo and none of them were built as well as the Falcon. I can't say it's shoddy or bad based on my experience.

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 3:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		choppersrule, many thx for the info.. very helpful!.. in fact, you're the first one I've talked to who actually has the Falcon..
mind a couple more questions? the Falcon is about $90 to $100 more (RTF) than the Esky Honeybee King (which I think has a "replaceable brushes" motor- here's a link: http://www.heli-fever.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=1&products_id=573) but, ya get what ya pay for.. also, since it's a new model, where did you get yours? hobby-lobby? were you satisfied, and do they support it? how about parts? unfortunately, the King now seems to be sold-out everywhere (avail mid/late Sep) so the Falcon may bes the best price/value choice... but gear-driven tail??? thanks again for any input

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 4:05 AM   
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To answer your questions in brief:

I got mine from hobby-lobby.

Cost $299, plus shipping, I think that was $ 7.00.

Yes, I was very satisfied, they ship in 3 to 4 days.

Yes, they do support all there products.

Gear driven tail??? Much more stable than the Blade CP. The Falcon main motor drives the tail rotor. The CP has a main motor to drive the main blade and a motor for the tail blade and is controlled by the 4-in-1 receiver, not as stable or reliable.

Yes, Parts are available online. When I bought mine, parts were not available for about 2 weeks, but all parts are now available.

All of the parts are resonable in price. Just check it out at hobby-lobby.com , as I mentioned they have been around for long time.

I don't know what your level of experience is, but with any new heli, I'd suggest to put on the training gear (Falcon comes with them).

All in All, I'm very satisfied with hobby-lobby and the Falcon 3D.

Let me know what you decide, just PM me. I don't always, check all the posts.


Hoped this helps in your decision,

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 4:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Choppersrule fantastic!! and thanks! I'm gonna call H-L Sat & check avail; if ok with you I might pop you a PM on it... I wonder if we should/could start a new thread on this new ship? there doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there yet (other than what Gary's done [thanks Gary!]).. gott hit the sak... again, many thx for the info... big help



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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 4:40 PM   
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For anyone interested in the Falcon 3D (F3D), the hobylobby (HL) website says they're on sale for $279.00!!
I just spoke to Chris, who says they have 1 left (I just bought the other one) w/ the next shpt due in on 8-25

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/19/2006 11:32 PM   
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Just a couple quick, easy questions.

1) I was out in the garage practicing hovering, I had the left knob on the tx at about 9 o'clock and the right knob at 2 o'clock.
No problem hovering and small forward, backward flight, after about 6 minutes, I landed and the motor was very hot.

Is this normal for a brushless motor?

2) The Falcon keeps wanting to go left, I have the trim almost maximum to the right to correct drifting.

Is it time to adjust the servo linkage?

Thanks for all your great post's and help,


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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2006 12:06 AM   
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Perhaps you already know how to adjust the servo position but I thought I would share that I just made such an adjustment after replacing the tailboom. I called HL to be sure of the proper procedure and their technician was very helpful. He said to loosen the servo mounting brackets, turn on the TX, plug in the battery, and allow the tail servo to center itself. Now check to be sure that the servo arm is perpendicular to the tailboom. (you need to leave the battery plugged in for at least 4 seconds to allow the servo to center). Adjust the servo arm perpendicular if necessary (it is most likely that the servo arm won't need this adjustment). Now (after centering the servo) Unplug the battery, turn off the TX then move the servo and pushrod so that the tail blades are parallel to each other (in the same plane). Now, looking from the back, move the servo so that there is about 3 degrees of pitch pushing the tail left (which will actually make the front turn right). Tighten down the servo clamps and it should be set correctly. Try the heli out on a smooth surface (I used pressboard). Spin-up slowly to allow the gyro to act and the heli should maintain it's position. Slight adjustment can be made using the trim as you well know.

One final note ... I noticed that for mine, after adjustment, with the servo arm being perpendicular to the tailboom, the bell crank arm was also perpendicular to the tailboom ... a coincidence perhaps, but a good way for me to check quickly to be sure its still adjusted.

This is how I did it and it worked great. Hope it works as well for you.

Happy tuneup!
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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2006 12:45 AM   
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Thanks so much for your response and details in adjusting the tail servo, I will definetly keep this in my archives. Very good information.

Here's the however: I didn't explain my problem correctly. I don't have a yaw or turning problem of the heli.

My problem is that the heli wants to drift to the left, and I have to make corrections with the right stick to the right. The trim is almost all the way to the right and it still wants to go left. I don't like trim adjustments to the maximum, when I know I can adjust servo linkages to compensate.. It's a fine tuning process I know. I just need input from others to make me feel more comfortable about what I think may be need to correct the problem. I'm still in a learning curve.

Again Thanks for all you help,

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RE: New Mini Electric is here the Falcon 3D!! - 8/20/2006 1:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Opps, sorry about that ...

... I think the adjustment that you need is even easier than the Yaw adjustment ...
... First center the servos as in my previous post.
... Next, put the heli on a (level) table or bench so you can look at it at eye level.
... Check to see if the swash plate is level. (I just eyeball it looking at the heli from behind and compare it to something in the background that I know is level. I use a laser level on the wall)
... If the swashplate is level, then it could just be a matter of weight distribution (like battery to one side).
... If the swash is tilted to one side (after centering the servos) then just find the servo that links to the pivot triangle mounted on the left hand side of the heli (as looking from the rear). There is a linkage that goes from this pivot triangle (I don't know the actual name of this piece, sorry) to the ball on the left hand side of the swash. The ball socket on the top end of that linkage can be turned (after poping it free from the swash ball) to level the swash plate. Make the proper number of turns (maybe one or possibly two) to level the swash. Pop the socket back on the ball, fine tune (turn) the socket so that it is not binding and that it will rock the same distance clockwise as ccw as looking from the top of the heli. (in other words in a relaxed position on the swash ball).

Oh, I forgot to say that before you center the servo, place all of your trims on your TX to the center position.

I think that will do it, test it out and tweak as necessary.

Hope that helps. Good Luck

p.s. I just made that adjustment (check)also, mine was right on as from the factory.


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