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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 3:06:01 PM   
RC2K3



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Status: offline 		Hi,
Im looking at buying a PC-9 from either Seagull Models or that VMAR one everyone is always bagging, has anyone any experience with the Seagull PC-9?? You can get them from horizon hobbies. VMAR PC-9 comes in the texan II or the Australian "Rouletts" aerobatic team coverings. Is the covering on VMAR as bad as they say?? I am also struggling to find reveiws and info on the Segull as well.

Thanks guys
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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 3:18:30 PM   
William Robison



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Don't know about the Seagull, never seen one.

The panel lines, rivets, and canopy bows on the V-mar are all "Over the top." Don't like them. Seen three here, only one had a poor covering job. But one had the canopy bows break up in flight.

In the V-mar line, the "Texan II" has minor variations from the PC-9, probably a bit stronger.

It's the printing of rivets and lines that turns me off the V-mar.

I've closely inspected the V-mar,
. sight unseen it's the Seagull, by far.

Bill.

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 5:58:43 PM   
RC2K3



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Status: offline 		Really I like the "scaleness" of the VMAR. The seagull one is not as scale as the VMAR the tail has a split elevator and the rudder sort of goes in between the 2 halve right down to the bottom of the fuse, it also only has 1 pilot and cruddy control panel. The seagull is built realy well actually and the covering is good iron on stuff with decals cut and applied already. Heres a pic and a link to the aussie distributors info page (not much info actually)

http://www.modelengines.com.au/aircraft/pc9.html

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 6:39:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		we love our seagullpc9 among st others flies great strong plane but as with all our planes we do modify lots we don't trust arf goodies so we use du-bro/great plane acc. for the rest we have several guys flying pc9's all happy and many other seagull models.

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REF: don't trust arf goodies - 12/29/2002 8:02:34 PM   
Cappie


 

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Status: offline 		Adrian,

I just got my PC-9 ARF from a local store here in Dallas, and the kit looks good. What did you modify on the a/c? What don't you trust on the stock ARF?


Michael

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 8:57:27 PM   
adrian-RCU



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Status: offline 		the wooden push rods the first to go- replace with metal in carbon or allum. plastic horn clevisis to metal in tail- strenthen wing to body wood dowl pin area. epoxy inside of firewall and wing bolt area.

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PC-9 better than original - 12/29/2002 10:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Adrian,

Yep, those are great suggestions....looks like the engine mounting screws look very light, I am going to replace them with stainless fasteners, and lock-tight. What engine are you using? I am going with the OS FX .46...


Michael

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/29/2002 11:49:51 PM   
adrian-RCU



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Status: offline 		+we run a tt46 with a max pipe. sometimes a st51 . your fx will be great for good vertical we use 10x6/7 and for speed 11x5/6.
go to our gallery some pics there.

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run a tt46 with a max pipe. sometimes a st51 - 12/30/2002 12:02:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Adrian,

I looked at the gallery, very nice. Where in Israel do you live, my wife has many cousins in the West Bank and Jerusalem. Most are serving in the Army right now....the times require it.

Did you have any problems with the fiberglass cowling and the engine size?

Michael

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/30/2002 12:10:02 AM   
adrian-RCU



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Status: offline 		we live in tel aviv, its like a world away from all the !@#$#@ so we only see it on CNN. we have lots of new people getting into the hobby and of late are flying from a military airbase where they fly the predators those spy drones and lots of activity now with the Iraq thing.
the cowl works great with the 46 /51 sure it will be fine with your fx. enjoy!!

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Thanks for the feedback - 12/30/2002 12:17:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Adrian,

Thanks, I plan on having the a/c complete in the next week or so...depending on workload etc... I will post some pictures.

All I can remember about Tel Aviv is drinking too much : Have to go back some day.

Michael

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/30/2002 12:26:28 AM   
adrian-RCU



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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/30/2002 3:29:53 AM   
RC2K3



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Status: offline 		Thanks for the good word guys
So does everyone agree that the Seagul is a better plane or have you guys had no experience with the VMAR?

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Vmar vs. Seagull - 12/30/2002 5:25:13 AM   
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Sorry, I have no experience with VMAR, been on their site and was not impressed...though I really like the TexanII.

Having the PC-9 ARF, it looks great, needs a little work, could be the same with VMAR. Wish I could help more....

Michael

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Got my Seagull PC-9 for $200AUS - 12/30/2002 4:17:41 PM   
RC2K3



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Status: offline 		Hey "CAPPIE" Have you looked inside the fuse down to where the firewall is joined......*** ********** SWEAT SHOP WITH THEIR DAM HOT GLUE GUNS!!! It doesnt look pretty but its actually pretty strong, I also noticed that some of the balsa stick thingys are cut about 1mm shrt and the gaps are only half filled with glue. Dam and I just ran out of CA! Did you experience any such problems with yor model??

CYA
DF MAN

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Pilatus PC-9, VMAR or Seagull? - 12/30/2002 4:47:42 PM