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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/24/2008 2:07:24 AM   
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View through the canopy from above...notice fuel tank visible through the battery tray; MPI regulator (which I use on my big IMAC planes); Throttle servo and linkage; The rx is mounted on the opposite side of the regulator...the wires are visible going through from the rear servos and battery.

A strong system is blowing through as I type. I'm not sure when I'll get to maiden this plane. It Figures...last weekend it was 70 degrees...




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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/24/2008 2:40:03 AM   
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I dont understand how you came in at 6#. Mine was 6.5# with YS 63 and Hitech 225s. How much does a lipo battery,and reg weigh in comparrison to a 1400 Mah NiMh pack? I have a YS 91 and a 110. Now thinking that if I do get another Reactor I might use one of them. The 63 was plenty of power except when comeing off the bottom of a very large knifeedge loop. This is one of if not the besst flying planes in its size I have ever flown.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/24/2008 2:11:04 PM   
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This is one of if not the besst flying planes in its size I have ever flown. ... The 63 was plenty of power except when comeing off the bottom of a very large knifeedge loop


I am really glad to hear this report from someone who has been flying as long as you. Obviously I am really anxious to fly this plane, and your report makes me all the more anxious! With the .91, I should have what any sane pilot would consider "unlimited vertical" (are you tired of that phrase yet??? I am.) I have to admit that I don't care for the covering scheme on this plane...I guess I'm more "old-school"...anyway, I'm hoping that it flys so well that I won't mind looking at it

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I dont understand how you came in at 6#. Mine was 6.5# with YS 63 and Hitech 225s. How much does a lipo battery,and reg weigh in comparrison to a 1400 Mah NiMh pack? I have a YS 91 and a 110. Now thinking that if I do get another Reactor I might use one of them..


I used a digital balance to weigh the plane. I simply tipped the plane up on its spinner and balanced the plane as well as I could in this position until the balance beeped. I suppose that I could be off somehow, but I can't imagine that it would be off by more than an a few ounces.

The Saito .91 weighs 19.6 oz, and the PS exhaust weighs 38 grams (1.34 oz.) Your YS should weigh less than 17.5 ounces including the muffler.

Your three servos in the fuselage should be lighter than mine as well. I will re-weigh the plane later this AM...maybe I brainfarted when I weighed it yesterday. If there is a change, I'll humbly report my error.

Regarding the LiPo battery...
A TP 2100 LiPo + MPI 6V Regulator = 1400 NiMH - 0.3 ounces.

I wouldn't spend the extra money on the lithium if I were in your position. That would be a very expensive 0.3 ounce reduction, although you would have 1/3 again more flight time per charge.

I used that battery for two reasons: 1- I had it on hand from a foamy glider project from last year, and 2- ALL my other planes are "on lithium" so I wanted this one to be as well so as to avoid ever getting confused when charging. When I say all of my planes (not that I have very many), I mean ALL of my planes...foamies, .40 size profile plane, IMAC planes, and now the Reactor...all use lithium batteries.

The profile plane (Extreme Flight Edge 540 from 2005 - a very light plane) uses a 750 mAh two cell LiPo + 6V regulator, and the gassers are set-up identically with (3) 2,300mAh LiIon packs on 6V regulators (two for radio, one for ignition.) The orange plane is my IMAC contest plane...a kit-built 34% Colombo Andersen Extra 300, the red plane is a H-9 33% Edge ARF (pic taken before installing the 2.4Ghz Rx and test-flying the DX-7 on this plane early last year.)




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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/24/2008 3:15:54 PM   
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I dont understand how you came in at 6#.


This is bugging me...so I went to my lab (I own a winery) and borrowed an electronic balance, and got my 35# electronic scale from the shop. I zeroed balance, and I tared the large scale with a cut-off piece of galvanized grapestake.

Then I lifted the plane onto the scales.....

The numbers don't lie...5# 10.4 ounces + 8.2 ounces = 6# 2.6oz.

So, I was indeed incorrect in my last measurement of 6#...the accurate weight is 6 pounds 2.6 ounces.

antiquefer, Maybe your plane is lighter than you think?!?!?! How did you weigh it? There's no way yours should be heavier than mine. Let us know.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/25/2008 2:51:16 AM   
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Kolarshooter. I in no way wanted to sound as if I didnt believe your weight numbers. I just wanted tom know what the hec i did to get the extra weight. I weighed mine at the field on a analog type scale. Probably not accurate at all. It realy dont matter at any rate. I was very pleased with flight performance. I would not switch to the lipo setup, I was just wondering.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/25/2008 2:24:38 PM   
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I'd bet yours is lighter than mine...it just has to be! Under six pounds for sure.

Now I need work and weather to offer some sort of divine convergence so as to let me fly this thing.

I took no offense to your questions, by the way. In fact, I appreciate the input.

Good luck!

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/26/2008 5:14:40 AM   
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I got curious and weighed mine tonight as well. Saito 82 with Turboheader muffler and I am using the CF landing gear. 5245 mini digitals with 5625 on rudder. I upgraded to titanium pro links on the ailerons and on one elevator. They didn't make the right lengths for the rudder and other elevator so I used standard 4-40 rod there for strength. I might go to CF on those once I figure out what weight I need and where to set the CG. I have a pretty heavy five cell 2500 Mah NIMh battery as well.

My total right now is 5 lb 11.6 oz but I haven't set the CG yet so it may come out heavier. My wing panels weigh 9.6 oz each. I weighed everything twice since it seemed pretty light. I was originally afraid I was going to be around 6 1/2 pounds so I am happy. The CF gear and mini servos did save some weight even with the modified mounts. I am using a GP plastic spinner with metal backplate and I am thinking of upgrading it to a TruTurn 2 1/4 ultimate spinner so that will add a little as will the regulator for the Saito. A YS 63 would just make it lighter. My guess is I will come in under six pounds when it is all said and done. The spinner will add a little weight but I could go to a lighter battery and offset it and keep it under six pounds. I could also loose the wheel pants. Anyone having good luck with the GP spinners with metal backplate on a four stroke? I don't want this thing coming apart in my face.

P.S. I finally found my 90 degree adapter so I could finish up the engine install. I hate moving!

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/27/2008 2:45:11 AM   
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I've been looking at this plane and running the O.S. FL-70 4 stroke. Can someone tell me what header I need for the muffler to route it out the bottom of the fuse. The one mentioned in the manual is for the O.S. FS-70 II Surpass. Also, how is the O.S. FL-70 for power on this plane. Will it have unlimited vertical and what prop?

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/27/2008 3:23:46 AM   
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I've used the GP spinners for over 5 years and have never had one fail on me. This is the plasic spinner w/lightened aluminum backplate. Saito 72s, 56, YS 63, Webra 50s, and now on OS 55 AX. On my bigger planes I only use Tru Turns. For the smaller ones the GP spinner is the one I prefer.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/27/2008 6:18:37 AM   
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Zipi I think the 70fl would fly the reactor ,but i dont know about unlimited virtical. A saito 82 or 91 would have more power with close to or even less weight. You could rotate the engine to about the 7 oclock position and get the exhaust in the right place. This is what I did with my ys 63, but then i am to cheep to spend a dime on a fancy elbow.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/27/2008 12:36:16 PM   
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antiquefer,

Thanks for the info. I'm looking to run the engine inverted so there is less cutting on the cowl.


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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/28/2008 4:30:57 AM   
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I was able to work on setting the CG tonight on mine. To get to a 5" CG I need 1 1/2 oz of lead in the tail and after grinding the spinner and moving a little around I end up just under 5 lb 13 oz. I haven't run the antenna yet but I was thinking of swapping out to 2.4 anyway so that won't help me . I will play around with the placement of the receiver and battery tomorrow and go to a heavier tail wheel to see if can eliminate the lead without doing too much. I could lose the wheel pants but I like the look.

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RE: Great Planes Reactor GP/EP 3D ARF .46-.70 - 2/29/2008 1:39:33 AM   
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It flew...and it flew well.

I like how it flys. It feels light and is certainly "adequately powered" by the Saito .91 .

In my installation, the engine is about five-six inches from the fual tank, and the carb is definitely above the centerline of the tank. There was no fuel draw issue at all...these Saitos have great draw without using pumps or other gimmicks. My mentor told me that a couple of years ago when I installed a S-150 in a F-90. He was right (as usual.) I've found the S-180 draw to be as good. Except for gas engines, these are my favorite engines for power, weight, and fuel efficiency. They are worth the extra cost in performance alone.

At 5", the CG was still too far forward. My basis for judging this is by flying an inverted 45: if the plane climbs at all, the CG is too far aft. If it continues drawing a 45 degree line, or SLOWLY arcs downward, (this is a question of preference) it is on-or very close-to the mark. If the plane wants to descend, you know you are too far forward on the CG.

I added 1/4 ounce to the rearmost spot on the fuselage after the first flight. This helped. I added another 0.4 ounce after the second flight. This helped (no surprise, huh?)

The third flight was getting closer. I added another .4 ounce when I got home. Hopefully this will "gittr done" when I fly her again Saturday.

This plane flys very light, I mean that I bet you could add at least a pound to this plane before it would start to feel too heavy. We had some blustery wind conditions (nothing extreme, just too much for serious trimming) so I'm looking forward to Saturday morning when I will fly it again.

The recommended throws are great. The snaps on high rates are certainly fast. I set up three flight modes on my JR 9303; one is the recommended low rates with 30% expo all around, the second mode is the recommended high rates with 40% expo all around, and the third mode is "all I can get" with 50% expo all around. The recommended throws are good starting places and I'd recommend following their recommendations (initially, anyway.)

Yes, the covering wants to delamitate and fall off.

Yes, the gear is very flexible. I fly off of asphalt, and had three greaser landings in spite of some breezy conditions. The gear is fine for my purposes.

Yes, the attitude of the plane on its gear is not as nose-up as most (tail dragger) planes I've seen. I didn't notice this at all in take-offs and landings....not a problem.

Yes, I am very happy with my purchase ($150.00 at my LHS) and would recommend this plane to anyone who wants an aerobatic plane and is comfortable with a completely neutral flying bird.

I'll report back after I have trimmed this plane out the way I was taught to trim my big aerobatic planes. There's nothing like flying a plane that really "grooves". If you are unfamiliar with what I mean by "trimming" check out the link above...doing this to your aerobatic planes will change your perspective on flying and on what a "good flying plane" is.

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