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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/4/2007 10:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		here is another vid i made, not bad, a good spin, a hover or 2, torque roll or 2, and some smoke, not bad for an amateur

http://www.rcuvideos.com/view_video.php?viewkey=eb1674a07bf717761dd3

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/4/2007 11:30 PM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/5/2007 1:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		rolling circles are what i am after, still trying those on sim, i can do ke figure 8's which is pretty cool, but i mainly made this vid to show the smoke system for you smokers

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/5/2007 9:43 AM   
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could you please tell me how to make a rolling harrier?
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Post a video of it if it's available.

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/6/2007 1:49 AM   
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Please,
could you please tell me how to make a rolling harrier?
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Post a video of it if it's available.

close your eyes and wiggle the sticks!!!, try on the sim 1st, thats about the best i can say, i cant do them yet either, there is a vid on 3dbatrix i think, a how to on rolling harriers, shows it on the sim with stick movements, in regular and slow motion

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/6/2007 1:51 AM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/12/2007 7:26 AM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/12/2007 8:06 AM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/12/2007 9:43 AM   
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http://media.putfile.com/Super-Extras-at-Work

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/13/2007 12:03 AM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/13/2007 12:39 AM   
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someone said you need to convert it somehow, maybe they will chime in, i know if its on g3, you can email it to me and i can import it to my g3 and watch it myself
Ive been trying to move them but they just wont move from my recordings. Its G3.5.


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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/13/2007 9:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think there is an easier way, but if you go to your computer, then program files, then real flightg3, then there is a folder for recordings, you can copy and paste it to your documents, or other, then email it from there as an attachment, i also have g3.5

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/19/2007 10:33 PM   
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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 2/20/2007 12:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		its not in video format, the way i mentioned about emailing it to me, i would then import it into my g3, then play it from there, i cant play mine outside of the real flight program either, but you can email it and play it in the program, make any sense??

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 3/20/2007 4:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had trouble with them until i concentrated on the throttle management aspect and set up a good throttle curve on the Tx. I don't have any Vids yet, but i have some recordings from FsOne, although I'm not sure how to convert them, but i can send them to you if you have the sim. basically, lots of sim time to get used to the stick movements. think about them, don't just go gung-ho, and they will become second nature. make sure you practice to both sides (left is easier, as the plane's torque helps). throttle management is a biggie

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 3/24/2007 12:06 PM   
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Please,
could you please tell me how to make a rolling harrier?
Thank's!
Post a video of it if it's available.


They cover the rolling harrier very well on page 1, and if you got time it goes on more about it into the thread.

I am able to do them now after much needed practice doing the fundamental manuvers that get you used to the input's needed to do a rolling harrier (slow roll's, rolling circles, and harriers of course). I practice on Realflight G2 and I needed to make alooooooooot of editing of my aircraft to make rolling harriers possibe (for me).

I have been practicing with the giant Edge 540, here are the edit's I did to make the rolling harriers alot easier for me.

1st I edited the prop to be 32X5 or 32X6 (I like 5 better all around),
2nd I enlarged the elevator surface to be 50% of chord,
3rd I made rud & ele throws bolth 50 degree's,
4th I increased aileron throws 2 degree's ,
5th I changed the airfoil of the wing from NACA 0013 to NACA 0020 (the fattest symetrical airfoil available) it's easy to roll harrier with, but NACA 0016 is pretty easy 1's you have learned and is better all around,
6th I changed the airfoil on bolth vertical and horizontal stableizers from NACA 0009 (a thin symetrical airfoil) to the "balsa flat stab" style
7th I moved the CG back .5"
8th I almost forgot the radio editing
a. increased all servo speed's to .11 sec
b. changed expo's to 90% ele, and 50% rud

I'm sure most people are using newer sim's by now, but this is the kind of stuff that helped me alot.

For G2 user's learning to torque roll You can turn off the rotational torque of your engine and practice hovering with out the plane rolling, this is how I learned to tourqe roll. Now I can torque roll right down on the deck with 100% rotational torque even in the wind.


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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 3/26/2007 9:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I have now read this thread from beginning to end. Lots of good stuff in there.

Right now I just want to take a step back: Can someone suggest a progression of manouveres to start with? At the moment I can do the usual loops, hammerheads, snaps, spins, inverted, knife edge, etc. Where to from here? I was thinking slow rolls next. Is it worth learing rolling circles at flight speed before harriers etc? Would you recommend harriers before hovering etc?

I'm sure I'll figure it out anyway but just wondered if people had any advice.

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 3/26/2007 9:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would say that slow roll's then rolling circle's (not at full speed but some where around 3/4 throttle or so there is a "sweet spot" from plane to plane) will open a whole new door for you, then you might want to go for rolling loop's from there. Hovering/torque rolling could actually be practiced before or after the rolling stuff, but I find that all the rud/ele inputs from the rolling manuver's sharpin's your thumb's for the hovering/torque rolling. Harriers are pretty uneventfull after that with the exception of inverted harrier's which will require reverse rudder inputs (no biggie).

The list is virtualy endless from here but I think this is an excellent place to start.

I just learned how to do rolling harriers so I still get a big involunary grin on my face when I do a slow high alfa rolling harrier strait down the runway. I am now working on transitioning from 1 manuver to the next, like from a blender to a rolling harrier. Which by the way I can not do yet, I am begining to think that Realflight G2 is not capable of doing blenders because I can do them in real life with my Electric Shock. So I am focusing on transitioning from torque roll's to rolling harriers ect...

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 3/26/2007 1:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		i learned hovering and then torque rolling, now working on rolling circles, i dont think it matters too much which you learn 1st, they both do require correct rudder inputs to get them right, which ever you prefer i think for 1st, tq/rolling is kinda like slow rolls in that the way you correct as it spins, ele, ruuder, opposite ele, opp rudder, etc... you will progress either way i think...

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/9/2007 1:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey all, I have a bunch of FS1 videos that I've recorded with 3D maneuvers. the thing is, my computer is not fast enough to capture it with FRAPS and keep the frame rate looking good. If anyone would like to convert the FS1 vids and post them up here for everyone to see, please let me know. I can send you all the files for the video and you can take care of it. Here's a list of what I have recorded:

Wall
Wall with spoileron mix
waterfall
waterfall with flapperon mix
harrier
harrier with spoileron mix
harrier inverted
harrier inverted with spoileron mix
helicopter
terminator
parachute
parachute with flapperon mix
elevator
elevator with spoileron mix
blender
flat spin
flat spin inverted
roller coaster
harrier rolls
Knife Edge Harrier
Knife Edge Wall


I have a few more, I can't remember. Any more Ideas? let me know, i'll record them

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/9/2007 12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		israelg48: I can't covert the videos for you, but I do have FSOne and would love to see them. Any chance I could get copies of them?


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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/9/2007 1:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey sure thing man, send me your email and i'll send you the files. I hope it works. also, let me know how helpful they were and if there's anymore that i'm missing


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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/15/2007 2:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		has anyone ever heard of a knife edge slide? I saw it in a magazine a while back. basically you come in level at 1/2 throttle and simultaneously hit elevator aileron and rudder, then quickly let off of elev and ail and just hold rudder till you slide in a sideways knife edge, straight up. ( terrible definition but maybe if someone knows a better way to describe they could tell us.)It's really cool when you get it right but it's kinda difficult. I've been practicing it for 6 months now and still only get it every once in a while.

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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/15/2007 2:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		We call it a suicide slide. All you do is assume a high alpha knife edge position up high and upwind. Then just let off the throttle a click at a time until the plane starts to sink. Just let it sink right in and then when it begins to approach the ground slowly ease in the throttle and make a level pass.

Its probably a ood idea to have your coupling issues resolved before getting too low with this maneuver. When you are flyin slow in a high alpha KE its not uncommon to have a lot of rudder input as well as elevator for pitch correction and aileron for roll correction. These are classic inputs for a snap roll!! If you get into the throttle too quickly or over correct just a little at the wrong time your high alpha knife edge can turn into a KE snap. The key is to get the planes incidence and cg set correctly so that MINIMUM rudder/elevator mix is required and then setup the mix. Then program you roll coupling mix (rudder/aileron). Then you wont have to worry so much about trying to balance the plane as it sinks and can focus on heading and altitude control!


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RE: HOW-To..3D maneuvers - 4/15/2007 6:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if we're talking about the same manuever. the one I saw was kinda like a wall, but pop up intp a knife edge from level flight. then it slides sideways from momentum in a hover attitude. I wish I could do it better, and I would submit a video. I could be wrong and it's a variation of a suicide slide I'm thinkin of.

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