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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/13/2006 12:07:41 PM   
BUDMAN27



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THere are a lot of realy good racers out there that no one ever heres about because of money problems. But its not just us. I,m sure all forms of comp. have the same prob. With gas at 3 dollars a gallon I surprized to see how many people still go to races. But you know the old saying. When the times get tough the tough get going.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/13/2006 6:52:56 PM   
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In France the price of a gallon is 7.77 dollars and we have almost all pilots of the last year and new ones who make the Nats.
But the greatest distance for some pilots will be 650 miles.
When we like we don't count!
Claude.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/13/2006 7:34:47 PM   
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I agree with Claude - don't equate the price of gas with shrinking pilot numbers. If they have the competative spirit, they will compete. That is where I see the problem. Most people now days do not have the competative spirit we OGC's have. Sure they will compete on the play station or other video game, but not "mano-a-mano".

I think the best way to increase pilot numbers is with organizxed club racing - but with a plane that can be used for every day flying (aerobatics etc.) not just racing. The Sky Raider is such a plane. We recently started Sky Raider racing in the San Antonio area and I think it is going to catch on. The idea of having a plane that can be flown every day, not just on race day or an occasional practice day, appeals to many people. If they do well and learn to fly a tight pylon course, they may progress to 424 racing, but most sport pilots are NOT going to buy a 424 legal plane to fly once or twice a year. And they are not going to travel 3 - 400 miles to a sanctioned race unless they think they can be competative. Budman is right - money does make a BIG difference to many potential racers.

I flew RCCA combat for many years, and was very competative in that event until I moved and had no one to practice with. Then my skills went down fast. It is the same thing in racing. The only way to grow the event is to concentrate on club level racing to get people interested and weed out the pilots who could be considered a "flash in the pan". Those that practice regularly and can stand the pressure (and FUN!) of competative flying will move on to sanctioned racing.

One other thing - don't pressure every one involved in club racing to join NMPRA (or other organizations) immediately. Let them get their feet wet and those who are interested will join and continue to race.

Just my .02 worth!

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/14/2006 4:44:10 AM   
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Gas prices? Travel? I'll tow the race car (my avatar) three hours to run a Muscle Car Challenge for a trophy.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/14/2006 5:52:13 AM   
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I remember when I had the bug (spirit) or what ever you want to call it. Now I,m just happy to watch my son grow up.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/20/2006 11:53:58 AM   
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I still have the bug after 20+ years. I also watched my son grow up, then I got him into racing at age 12, he is now 20 and has many local and National wins to his credit, BUT I can still beat him on the race course. But the day will come when that no longer happens.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/21/2006 2:45:29 AM   
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That is vary good to hear Conrad.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/23/2006 6:04:55 PM   
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A non-racer here:
A racer, whether F3D, F5D or Quickie, is intimidating, just to watch at full speed.

In my not all that enlightened opinion, something with less speed is needed for an entry class.

Don't know if this matters but a Quickie is also uggly as <you name it>.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/24/2006 1:29:53 AM   
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I went out to my field today to fly my Pred 2 , and all I saw around me was big airplanes. Almost all the guys in my club (Texas City RC club) fly big airplanes. I,m talking 10 foot extras and Yaks. I don,t know what its like at other clubs these days. but these guys could care less about race planes. We do have 4 other members that love race planes. But it looks like we have been taken over by big arfs.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/24/2006 2:50:50 AM   
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quote:

In my not all that enlightened opinion, something with less speed is needed for an entry class.


This is exactly why some of us are pushing for a "Sport 40" class, using Sky Raiders (or similar) and stock TT Pro 40's. Something local clubs can run and maybe get more pilots interested in racing again.


quote:

Don't know if this matters but a Quickie is also uggly as <you name it>.


That is one opinion - many don't share it.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/24/2006 3:08:09 AM   
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Yes ,but how are you going to convenes someone with an ego problem and thinks he has to be bigger than the next guy , that he should put his big toy away so that he can race a little 40 size arf ?

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/24/2006 4:23:37 AM   
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Well...I did it by just flying mine . Then one other guy got one and we chased each other around a couple of trees (no pylons at our field). Next week there were three of us...now we have 6 pilots flying Raiders and several more waiting for the next order to come in at the LHS!

The thing is, the sky raider is a fun sport plane that ALSO makes a good club level racer at speeds any pilot (above trainer level) can handle. Most sport pilots are intimidated by the speed of even a 424 plane. And most clubs don't have room for a three pole course, but can manage a 2 pole 400ft (or so) course.

Just my .02 worth.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/24/2006 10:45:41 AM   
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It makes sens.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/25/2006 7:23:29 AM   
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I tried to get into pylon this past spring but too much investment for too few events too far away. Instead, I began flying SSR combat with a club that requires .15-size HORS, either V-tail or conventional. Everyone runs stock OS LA or Magnum .15s and MAS combat props. Standard servos and ni-cads required. The rules keep everything cheap. An engine claim rule keeps everyone honest.

There is a tree at each end of the runway, opposite the pilot box, so at the end of each combat heat I'd bring 'er down low and make a few laps of bank-and-yank practice waiting for everyone else to land. Boys being boys, it didn't take long for someone to start chasing me. Next thing you know, there were three planes, then four, impromptu pylon racing after each combat heat. Three weeks ago when the horn blew, eight planes dove for the pylon race. Two weeks ago the club decided to cut down the trees. Last week there were markers set up to show the ends of the combat box, a little further from the runway than the trees. After the combat, which finishes about 1, six pilots actually set up a matrix and ran 4-plane, 10-lap heats with their HORS. The two pilots who were not flying judged the pylons. I've since heard from several pilots who left early that they would have stayed and raced had they known to bring their lunches. One sport pilot who showed up to fly after the combat meet asked about getting a HOR just for the pylon races!

What were the keys that lead to this race series? I think the first thing to consider is the cost of getting involved, which was nothing but the extra fuel burned since everyone is flying what they already have. Second, all the planes are pretty much equal in performance, which means tight, evenly matched, exciting racing. Third, the planes are slow enough that the novice pylon pilots are not intimidated. There are your answers to getting more people involved in pylon. Low cost, evenly matched planes, and close to home.

So what if the same ol' fart is always the fastest around the course, everyone knows it is because he is an exceptional pilot, so nobody complains.

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RE: My thoughts about re-vitalizing pylon racing - 7/25/2006 6:04:32 PM