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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/7/2007 3:00:28 AM   
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Tom all I can say is ITS AWSOME. I received my extra 300 and hardware yesterday. Packing was great not one thig
to complain about. I dont even have to go over the plane with an iron, not one wrinkle in it...
I start building tomorrow I had bought the DA 50 at the WRAM show. That just got here today it had to be shipped
Keep up the good work

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/7/2007 4:40:28 PM   
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I can't find the exact reference right now, but Tom has said that you should go over the model and make sure the covering is stuck to the wood as this is a bit of a problem getting it all stuck down during the manufacturing process.

I agree that the Extra is really nice, and the workmanship is great but I thought I'd gone over mine well enough with primarily the fuselage stuff but by the time I got the wings put together, it was obvious I needed to go over the them as well. It wasn't a visible loose covering when you just look at it, but there are sections of the covering on or about the sheeted leading edge areas which were not stuck to the balsa sheeting, and that showed up when handling the wings during assembly.

This is certainly not a complaint as the covering job is outstanding, just one of those things you should do with an ARF...

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 1:08:31 AM   
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Well guys, smashed mine into a million pieces today!!! I had to get out today for some 'theraputic flying', and only had one 15 minute flight! But, the quality of that flight made it all worth it!!! The duration of the flight consisted of 'foamy style' high alpha flight, and hovering. This is one awesome plane!!! It all went wrong when I thought I would try my first torque roll!... which went all Pete Tong (wrong) and resulted in a totalled plane, and ploughed field! On the bright side however, is that Probuild had another in stock, so is all ordered!!! Have to say... an awesome plane indeed!!! Also, the Mejzlik prop. carbon spinner, and 3w 56iB2, and canisters survived unscathed! So, just the bare airframe is needed to get airborne again!

Awesome!!!

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 1:15:49 AM   
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Man, that sucks big time. Sorry to hear of your loss but sometime bad **** happens to good people. I know your grief, I crashed TWO 28% gassers on their maiden day flights.


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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 8:53:14 AM   
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What do you guys think about a RCIGN G-62 lite for this airframe and do any issues come to mind? I don't care about the extra weight over a DA.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 9:11:29 PM   
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with the electric ign it wont be to heavy at all. You might need to put the rudder servo in the tail, and I might put my rudder servo in the tail to get rid of the pull pull cables.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 9:55:46 PM   
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flatlandmike,
Are you using Ralph's engine?

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 10:01:52 PM   
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No i have a da 50 but i researched the g 62 engines with electric conversions for a friend. I found that their just a little heavier but were reliable and put out plenty power.

If i was going to buy a motor new i would get a da50 but if i had a electric ign g62 i wouldn't replace it just to lose the weight.

If your building somethin that needs the nose weight then maybe even then i would get the g62 new also.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/8/2007 10:06:19 PM   
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Thanks,
I'm trying to get some more info from someone that may be flying this combo. I know Zippi has his almost built, but I really need some input from those with G-62 experience. I need to order an engine and have been talking with Ralph. Just need to know if this is a viable combo and what if any problems could be encountered.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/9/2007 1:57:36 AM   
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Two guys in our club have G-62's in airplanes and they run flawlessly and have lots of power.


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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 7:37:13 PM   
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Upline issue.

So when I pull uplines i get a constant yaw to the left. Looks like I need a little more right thrust on the motor. Anyone got any other items that they can think of that I should be looking at?

Thanks!

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 7:56:56 PM   
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Upline issue.

So when I pull uplines i get a constant yaw to the left. Looks like I need a little more right thrust on the motor. Anyone got any other items that they can think of that I should be looking at?

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Are you flying with the same prop you will be using post break-in?



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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 8:26:30 PM   
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Yup, prop is a Mez 22 10. DA 50 has been broken in on another plane. So before I start to shim the motor, I thought I would see if anyone else has any thoughts.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 8:31:30 PM   
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Bird-Of-Prey,

Here's an update on the flight characterisitics.


Most of the flight was done on low rates (low rates throws are set per the assembly). The flight lasted 11 minutes.

I checked the stall characteristics and was very pleased. I pulled the throttle back to idle and applied up elevator. I was expecting the machine to snap when it stalled. To my surprise, the nose dropped and there was a slight, and I mean very slight wing drop. (As of yet, I haven’t checked the lateral balance on the 300 so that may be a contributor).

Next I placed the model in knife edge flight. The knife edge tracked like it was on rails. I literally took my hands of the right gimbal and watch the machine tracking right to left across the sky while only applying rudder. This is the first machine I’ve every flown that locked into a KE and didn’t require major inputs to keep it there.

I wanted to see if the DA 50 would have any issues pulling this machine vertical. It has unlimited vertical. After checking the vertical performance, I put the model into a hover (I’m still in low rates) and it didn’t have any bad tendencies. It pulled out of the hover with very good authority.

I attempted an inverted flat spin (still in low rates). It would spin but I couldn’t get it into a flat spin, even when applying throttle through the maneuver. I needed more control surface movement but being unfamiliar with the machine I want to be very comfortable before I use the high rates. Very happy with the results of this maneuver.

This past weekend I flipped on high rates and the 300 locked into a Knife edge spin with ease. Flat spins are a piece of cake. Just add a little throtte and you're locked in. Hovering is much easier on high rates. Waterfalls are very tight.

Again, this machine is a floater. I really have to slow in down on base before turning onto final so I can loose altitude. I found the sweet spot. A little nose up attitude to loose altitude and just a wee-bit of throttle and the 300 descent is very predictable and since it does not have any tendency to snap at slow speeds, it makes the landing almost mundane.

As far as any build issues with this machine. I didn't find any. I did re-enforce the firewall with some tri-stock and went over the model and checked for areas that could use additional glue. I didn't do anything for this machine that I don't do for others when I assemble. I did remove the ball from the DA50 choke so I could use a mini-servo instead of a standard size servo. Also, since I'm still learning how to assemble giant scale ARF's I installed the throttle and choke linkage as close to the engine as I could.

That’s all folks.

I'd recommend the WH 300 to anyone who wants a solid flying machine, that's built well, and the cost is very reasonable.

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 8:41:49 PM   
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quote:

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Yup, prop is a Mez 22 10. DA 50 has been broken in on another plane. So before I start to shim the motor, I thought I would see if anyone else has any thoughts.

Thanks!



No plane will track forever straight in an upline If you can get it to track straight for the first 200 or so feet I wouldn't worry about it to much. If you are not planning on changing props at all you can shim it a little to get more right thrust. Make sure your are also happy with your CG, changing CG Changes everything. I have tweaked the thrust on some planes and have also mixed throttle to right rudder with a multi point mix. on others. At about 60 %-100 % throttle I mix in 1-4% right rudder, what is nice about this is you can switch props and just have to tweak this mix.

One more question? Does it immidatly veer to the left as soon as you pull the upline, or is it straight and gradually goes to the left?

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RE: Newly redesigned WH Extra build t... - 3/19/2007 9:02:57 PM   
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I use a 23" prop after break in and had to add more right thrust to have a good flying plane. It doesnt take to much time to do.

To add to Dans questions does the plane also veer to the left on power run strait and lvl passes. Mine veered hard to the left with power on lvl passes so the thrust was way off on my build though i didnt remember the plane having any right thrust issues when i was runnning the 22/8 menz break in prop.

Now with the adjusted thrust i have a perfect up line till the plane slows, and when it does slow the plane will veer to the right. This is what the finnished thrust line should produce even if you just leave the thrust there and mix out the last bit with the throttle to rudder mix.

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