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STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 2:25:42 PM   
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This is an in depth look at a STS 28 or D28M.

Disclaimer: I’m not an engine expert. I know only a little about engine modification. I’m in no way affiliated with STS, Racernine, or any of their sponsored. My opinions are simply my opinions. Linear measurements (inches) were taken with the best of my abilities with Mitutoyo Absolute digital calipers. Angles (degrees) are visual guesses.

I have this engine in my Revo and absolutely love it. It’s a pure beast that starts easily, runs cool, and doesn’t flame out. I’m running it on a cheapo Merlin Plug (P/N MGP2003 ?), and 20% nitro fuel with a castor blend. I love the fact that it is a rotostart (shaft-start, officially), so I bought 2 more to install in my other trucks. I haven’t had the first one for very long, so I can’t speak as to its longevity. All pics are from a new, never-fueled, engine.

First thing to tick me off about this engine is that I can’t for the life of me figure out how they got that conrod and piston in there! I sure as gee-willickers can’t remove it! There is very little space between the conrod and the piston at the wrist pin, so once the piston touches the wall of the case, the rod doesn’t travel on the pin much further. Using borderline non-recommended force, I can only get the rod half way off the crank, which is not even close to getting it off. I gave up after several tries.

THE CARB:

Smooth. Very smooth. It is toleranced very well such that there is nearly not ability to wiggle the slide in the mid range and an inconsiderable amount at WOT. In the picture below, you can see the carb has a round tip needle. What you can not see is that the taper of the air induction bore is not conical, but spherical.


The carb has no insert. It also doesn’t have much of a rounded entry. It’s practically flat. I plan to fix that.


The boot seems very protective. I pulled it back in this pic, to show the sizeable lip used to keep dirt out. The boot appears and feels heavy-duty, but flexible enough not to make your servo work against it much.


The exposed carb casing is composite, but it is mostly steel and aluminum. The part that mounts in the engine case is thick wall steel tube with a conical tapered composite liner. The widest area of the inlet of the carb measures .507, the widest at the exit measures .442 where the liner ends. I used a drill bit to ascertain that the center ID is really close to .360. From tuning one of these engines already, I can say that the low-end needle comes from the factory quite far from where it will be on after you feel you are done with the first tune. This one appears to be around 2 full turns out from tuned after breakin. The highend is about 1.5 turns out form that spot. I use the heat-cycle method, so I was turning the needles from the start. The carb is sealed in the engine case via an o-ring that sets in a groove in the case as you will be able to see in a later pic when I talk about the crank.


THE BACKPLATE:

I have fallen in love with shaft starting my bashers. There’s no going back for me. This pic shows the outside of the shaft start and backplate. Note that the socket is located directly left instead of top left. This means Savage users (like me) will have to do a little cutt’n on the truck to make it accessible.



This pic shows the shaft start gears. Both are steel. The bushing appears to be bronze.



Here is the unique inside. The plate is o-ring sealed. What you can not see (because I didn’t take a picture) is the work behind the one-way bearing. This system seems better sealed than any pull-start engine I’ve ever opened.



THE CRANK

As you can see it is turbo ported. I would like to get in there to smooth the sharp edges and contour the start of the turbo port. I find the round end of the trailing corner of the counterweight interesting. The best I could measure without removing the crank, is .405 for the bore.



The induction side could benefit from a sharp leading edge and contour of the throat. I don’t know how much room there is for adding intake duration as it is already about 215 degrees. Of course I can’t do anything any way …..because I can’t get the conrod off the crank! Unrelated, what you can’t see in this pic is a tiny whole drilled in the case above the crank to lubricate the front bearing.



THE EXHAUST

Well from the inside, there is some nice looking finish work done to the case at the exhaust port.



From the rear, it’s not as impressive with the sleeve installed, not that there isn’t plenty of port area as-is. By this pic, you can see room to add exhaust port open duration. ….…..(continued with next pic)



….and maybe there is. There is about 165 degrees of it as-is. The right black mark represents the start of the piston exposing the bore. The left mark is where the port is closed.



THE PISTON & SLEEVE

It has three oiling rings around the top. The skirt is polished. The top is typical. The skirt has already has a cutaway at the boost port, but I see that a little more may be beneficial. I just need to make sure that a little more is not detrimental. I won’t do it nearly as wide as the factory cutaway. I won’t do anything if I can get that connecting rod off.



The con rod seems strong and contoured well. A bit could be done around the bottom bushing, but I don’t see much positive return from trying to modify it any further. That doesn’t mean that I won’t do it though, if I can get the….well, you know the story. The bottom bushing has a much heavier wall than I am use to seeing.


THE SLEEVE

This thing kinda scares me. Have you ever seen a sleeve this thin? The wall thinkness is .0345. There’s almost no room to do any porting to the outside of the sleeve. With the wall being so thin, there isn’t as much need to do so as heavier wall sleeves with not efficiency porting. There’s enough room for an experienced person to work with, but I would highly discourage a first-timer or anyone with shaky hands to try it. The bore is highly polished.


Here is a pic of the head shims. One measured .0045 and the other, .0125. The head clearance with shims installed is .016.



Well that’s all I have. I hope this proves to be informative. So far I really like the way the engine performs. I’m impressed with how tight things go together, but I hate that con rod situation. Only method I can see that they could have used to assemble the engine, was to install the wrist pin last by inserting it thru the exhaust port, which of course means that if there is a click-in retainer on the other side of the piston, you can never remove the wrist pin. If someone can tell me how to remove this thing, I would greatly appreciate it. I have disassembled at least 20 engines and have never had this problem.
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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 3:54:45 PM   
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It's normal not being able to easily remove the rod in a new engine. It will loosen up after a few tanks.
Nice writeup otherwise. That liner looks scary thin. A .21 liner and piston is probaly a direct fit. No need to have two different castings

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 4:46:45 PM   
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It's normal not being able to easily remove the rod in a new engine.


I would surely hope not! The only thing that could loosen up is the fit on the bushings. If you get slop there, you need to replace some parts. This case in not an issue of "new." The bushing fit on the pin and crank are perfect. Zero slop yet smooth rotation and sliding. The problem is caused by too things here. There is not enough room for the rod to slide axially on the wrist pin. The piston holds the rod almost perfectly centered. Most of the engines I've seen have a just bit more room in the piston for the conrod to slide. But the biggest cause of the problem is the size of the casing bore compared to the piston diameter. Most other engines have a thicker sleeve, so when it is removed, there is more space between the piston and the casing bore, thus more room to slide the conrod off the crank. This engine only has .0345" of space around the piston, which stinks since the bottom connection has to move over 4x that to come apart.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 5:11:38 PM   
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It WILL loosen up slightly and that's normal for ALL engines, trust me on that. We're not talking alot, just enough to let it come out with ease. It will just wear until a certain point and then kind of stop or atleast the rate of wear will drop. A bushing with a fit too tight is not good either.

But if it's as tight as you said because of the thin liner then your only option would be to remove it through the exhaust.
Some marine engines use that method (CMB) and it's a pain to do but in the case of the CMB the wrist pin is threaded so it's just a matter of inserting a hex wrench and unscrew it.
That could be the way it's done here.

edit: added a sentence about tight fit.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 6:43:49 PM   
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But if it's as tight as you said because of the thin liner then your only option would be to remove it through the exhaust.
Some marine engines use that method (CMB) and it's a pain to do but in the case of the CMB the wrist pin is threaded so it's just a matter of inserting a hex wrench and unscrew it.
That could be the way it's done here.

edit: added a sentence about tight fit.


I'll give some space for me being wrong here, but only because they had to put it together some how and I don't believe they would make it impossible to service. There is no socket of any kind on the wrist pin. It's just flat and recessed (sp?).

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/11/2006 7:01:26 PM   
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They must have put it together somehow. Maybe I'm wrong too but I've alwayd had problems taking out the rod from a brand new engine. 2 or 3 tanks later it comes out easy.


Actually they could have assembled it through the exhaust. The wrist pin slides in from the side. No need to actually be able to disassemble it the same way.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/12/2006 1:38:05 AM   
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hey guys i was thinking of getting that engine if and when i get a MT. Is it a good and reliable engine that produces alot of power? Do u think it would have more power than the stock associated MGT 4.6 engine? CHEERS

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/12/2006 6:06:19 AM   
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hey guys i was thinking of getting that engine if and when i get a MT. Is it a good and reliable engine that produces alot of power? Do u think it would have more power than the stock associated MGT 4.6 engine? CHEERS


Like I said, I have no idea how long it will last, but I do know that I have never had an engine this strong. I've has a OPS race 21 which I have seen make a blur in a BMT (car in the class with Serpent Vectors), but it was meant purely for on-road, high-rev racing. This engine is a torque monster and it has wicked top end. My Revo is so much sicker now. Before it had a Wasp 26, followed by a Wasp 28 (which is not as good as the 26). This engine has replaced the Hyper 21 in my Savage. I haven't ran it in the Savage yet, but I can only imagine. Everything, from materials to workmanship look top notch. I don't know how good the bearings are, but I guess time will tell. The sleeve is scary thin. That, combined with the wide ports leaves little material mass between the top of the sleeve and the bottom. I'm not saying this is a problem, just an observation.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/13/2006 3:08:07 AM   
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Sorry, but I have officially deemed it impossible to remove the piston and conrod without damage to any of the components. Seriously, there appears to be only 1/1000s of and inch of space around the top of the conrod in the piston. The piston can only move .345 inches off axis. The fit of th rod on teh crank is perfect (.0001 inches probably), whcih all adds up to allow you to get the bottom bushing only half-way off at best. I used even more force with a bent flathead screwdriver to pry the conrod off the crank. I had to press pretty hard to get it back on, and in the process removed a hair-like shaving from the conrod bushing. I give up. I guess that this is just one of those engines you throw in the trash when its time for a rebuild. Maybe things are different on the non-pullstart version. This sucks!

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/14/2006 11:21:13 AM   
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why dont u try heating it up a bit it might make it a bit easier to get it on and off

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/14/2006 3:38:32 PM   
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Run it first!!
If you keep doing this you're just going to destroy the bushing and you already mentioned you got a damage on it.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/14/2006 11:31:52 PM   
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i know of a guy that had the same problem with his sh28 p-6. the problem was that the crank was not seated on the front bearing all the way. he heated it up and pushed on the crank and it seated. then he could get the con rod off. maybe this will help your situation.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/15/2006 1:45:21 PM   
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i know of a guy that had the same problem with his sh28 p-6. the problem was that the crank was not seated on the front bearing all the way. he heated it up and pushed on the crank and it seated. then he could get the con rod off. maybe this will help your situation.


my P6 was like this.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/16/2006 9:54:27 PM   
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Run it first!!


Running it first is not going to help. Just to prove this to myself, I tried to remove the rod from the STS28 that I've been running in my Revo. Same result.

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If you keep doing this you're just going to destroy the bushing and you already mentioned you got a damage on it.


I'm aware of that, which is why I gave up. They had to put the pin in last, and didn't leave a way to remove it. Maybe you can heat the piston beyond running temp and the pin will loosen and fall out. I don't know, I just grabbing at straws at this point.

EDIT:
Also, I used the extra force, just to make sure it wouldn't work (which let everyone know that it wouldn't work), and I can afford to destroy the engine (not that I want to though). I've got 4 engines laying around that have never seen fuel, plus about 6 others that aren't in a vehicle.

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RE: STS 28 a Deep Look (56k murder) - 7/16/2006 10:48:34 PM   
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why dont u try heating it up a bit it might make it a bit easier to get it on and off


Heat isn't going to help anywhere here (accept maybe allow the wrist pin to fall out). The conrod is not even close to coming off. Heating during disassembly is used to remove the