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Destructive inspection... - 7/12/2006 8:47:55 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		When two transmitters are sending signals to the same aircraft and it is PCM, the RX goes into lockout...the throttle went to low idle and the control surfaces stayed where they were when it had a valid signal. Here is the aftermath...45 degrees straight into hard dirt.

My 28% Extra 300LX had a carbon fiber spinner, carbon fiber wing tube, DA-50, carbon fiber stab tube, three Li-Ion batts and Duralite regulators, stock gear and wheel pants...weighed 15.5 pounds without fuel.

1. Construction on the original Extra 300LX was very strong and well built.
2. Glue joints were strong on the parts...wood broke and left the joints where glue was holding parts together.
3. The motor box was destroyed along with the whole front of the aircraft.
4. The wings ripped the sides of the fuselage out but the pins and bolts holding the wing on were in tact.
5. The tail section is very well built. The balsa glued over formers has no foam inside, just air...strong and light.
6. Using Gorilla glue made my hinges indestructable. I tried pulling them free and was completely unsuccessful. I even tried bending the control surfaces over past the bevels and wasn't even able to force the hinges out that way!
7. Over 100 flights and people still commented on how it looked "new."
8. Great plane - very strong and light weight!

If the other TX hadn't been turned on this plane would have been around for a long time to come!

See my full review at http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2773490/tm.htm for more info about my pleasureable experience with my first gasser...



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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/12/2006 11:55:56 AM   
SENZA



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Status: offline 		Al, sorry to here about your plane it was a beauty..... I want to take the time and thank you for your build review you did a great job! in fact if it wasn't for that review i would probably still be working on it. It is also my first gasser and your review helped me out tremendously. I'm sure tom wont mind selling you that new extra! ... thanks again Bill.....

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/12/2006 3:16:48 PM   
Geistware



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Status: offline 		I had this happend to me. It is a helpless feeling.
I was lucky that the person responsible offered and has made good on a replacement.

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/12/2006 4:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the new Extra would be a great replacement, it would allow you to contrast the two planes.

FYI we still have 10% discount for active duty military.

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/12/2006 5:29:50 PM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		I haven't seen the new plane on the WH website yet...just some pics and talk in the forums...is there a price out there yet?

Thanks.

Tom, you seem to be working hard...many new planes, and lots of satisfied customers!

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/13/2006 12:47:29 PM   
Ken Bryant



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Status: offline 		PLEASE tell us the guy that shot you down is making good on it. I really liked that color scheme on your plane.

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/13/2006 5:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently the other guy who wasn't flying actually had the channel pin.
Read that in a few places.

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/14/2006 7:10:16 AM   
FlyinTiger



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Status: offline 		When you're flying at a field and NO ONE ELSE IS THERE, still grab your pin, you never know who might show up while you're flying! What luck...

Nope, the other guy claims innocence...drive up, grab your pin without saying a word, turn on and shoot down. Don't let it be you...

Edit: spelling

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/14/2006 12:12:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you guys work anything out,,, and I am still not really understanding what happened, did you not grab your pin, and he drove up and grabbed that channel, or something,,,

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 3:19:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Our club decided to post all the club members and the channels there radios are on. We found this to be a good plan but still nothing will stop this kind of thing other than common sence. If I see anyone I dont ussually fly with I make sure I ask them what channel they are on. More often than not im the first to arive and the last to leave the field Taking my pin isnt allways the first thing I do so I simpathize with you.

our list http://www.rivervalleyflyers.com/list.html

having this list posted on our frequincy board also helps Keeping it upto date is priceless

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 2:31:55 PM   
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Did you guys work anything out,,, and I am still not really understanding what happened, did you not grab your pin, and he drove up and grabbed that channel, or something,,

I was reading on another forum where Flyin Tiger was first up to fly, but he didn't grab his frequency pin because he was the only person at the field flying.
The other guy drove up and grabbed the pin and turned on his radio. I don't think it was the other guys fault. He did use the board. It's a tough lesson to learn but you have to use the frequency board ALL the time if it is expected to work all the time.
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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 2:58:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		At one of the paces I fly at it's pretty common for someone to be flying without a pin if they ae the first one or three people there. We all know each other and show the courtesy to ask what channel the guy flying is on before we turn anything on. Then again, that same courtesy is generally extended to all the member that arrive as the day progresses so we usually don't even need to bring the pin board out unless we have more than 6 or more people flying that day.

I have to side with Flyin Tiger here. It's all about courtesy and consideration. If you are too lazy or in too much of a hurry to ask a simple but extremely important question then life must only be about you.

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 3:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lets review: Flying field, radio frequencies, people on radio fequencies = disaster! Yes common courtesy is extended at out field also and works well. But!!! We built a frequency board for a purpose. To control a disaster that can at any time happen: A new guy to the club is explained the rules to the club. One day he comes out to fly but nobody has put up their pin because they all I know each other. Well he doesnt. Hes new. But he asks everyone what channel they are on anyways. At first I want to say "Im on the board" But in embarrasement I cant say that and reluctantly explain to the new new guy we are a bunch of dummies not following the club rules. The reason I tell this story is becasue it happened one day at our field. ( no names mentioned ) what else really made me think that day? I have a $2000.00 plane and this guy happened to be on my channel. WHoa!!!!! Me a big dummy. Thank God the new guy followed the rules....

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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 3:39:37 PM   
Redneck Shaun



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It's all about courtesy and consideration.


I do agree with this statement. We all (ok, well....most extend this to each other) to each other. BUT...... The frequency board is there for a reason. We are not dealing with $10 planes here. If it is used every time, these accidents would never happen. It should never be a possibility of this happening. I'm not sure, but is there a rule in ama about the usage of a board for a AMA sanctioned field?
Shaun


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RE: Destructive inspection... - 7/15/2006 8:11:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		accidents still happen a guy i fly with has planes here and in another state he usses 51 here and 45 in another state. he also usses a synthisized radio. { Ithink they call them dial a crasher's for a reason } he didnt shoot me down but he made good on the %33 he did. We all hate to see this happen but it does some day if we all fly long and often enough god forbid it will happen to us Ive lost 2 over the years one guy said sorry one gave me a new radio for my troubles. Iff I do it im buying the guy a new plane Hands down For the life of me I cant see why you wouldnt!

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