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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 11/25/2012 4:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		oldfartpilot It's still ugly.

That's what makes it beautiful.

One thing different I'm planning to do is mount mico/mini servos 3D style partially exposed near the control surface for short pushrods. One idea I am kicking around is mount 2 Fuji 099S-II's on engine outriggers like:

Half A Wild Deuce Plan on Outerzone





Except that the engine pods would look unpolished to match the rest of plane's ugliness.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 12/13/2012 5:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GallopingGhostler One accessory I bought then was a special nylon holder for behind the engine bulkhead mounting. It came with a music trip wire and a pin above it hooked to. With full down elevator, a string on the servo link would pull the music wire off the pin, causing it to snap over like a guillotine over the fuel line with a little molded ledge just below the fuel line. This pinching action stopped fuel flow and the engine. It was a pylon racing accessory. [....]
Was it called a ''mouse trap'' as it sure sounds like you are describing a spring loaded mouse trap!  Do you have a picture or drawing of it?

I found it, here it is, I've attached pictures. It is the Fourmost Racing Products Fuel Shutoff.


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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 12/18/2012 9:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Everyone that wants the "REAL THING" ARF. It'a GREAT ! The Chinese Construction and covering is fantastic. The sticky back covering will catch every little bit of shavings from the Servo mounting tray. Axle Shaft is a little larger than the wheel collars, so you must use a new set of 1/8 wheel collars and drill the center of the wood wheels with a 1/8 drill.

I used a 3530-1100 Brushless Electric Motor, 30 Amp Speed control, 2200 mAmp 11.1V Battery and 9X6 APC Prop. Balance is perfect and performance is just fine. It's no 3D model so don't expect to perform like one. It was designed as a 3 channel, knock around, mild aerobatic trainer and that's about what it is. I have done loops, limited inverted flight, but I have more fun doing rolling figure 8s to everyone's surprise. It's Just PLANE REAL FUN.

BTW, I built an untold number of "Real Things" back in the 70s, also the "No Big Thing", the "Real Thing" MK 2 and I still have the Original (Yellowed) Plans from the "Real Big Thing" with 7 foot span and 1092 sq. in. area and 60 size engine. Needed Rudder coupled with the ailerons to make it turn, but it was a Good flyer.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE !!

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 12:58 PM   
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Thanks for the memories !

As a kid, when the 'Real Thing' plans came out in RCM, it was the next logical choice to progress from R/E powered gliders.

Took awhile to scale up the mag plans, afford an OS.15R/C and a throttle servo, etc...

As I was getting close to covering, Hobby Shack sponsored a 'Beauty Contest' for Real Things...

This was my chance to be 'cool' and get a picture of one of my planes in RCM !

Had some yellow covering, so turned it into a 'school bus', with plastic windows, carved balsa 'Snoopy' driving ping pong ball Charlie Brown. The ground clearance was solved with big fat Trexler airwheels, and, fenders !

Test flew great, I sent pictures and a letter to enter...

Oblivious to magazine lead times, I flew it allot. The OS.15 with film can muffler was perfect power, R/E/T manouvers were great fun to learn, BUT, unless I timed the landing flair perfectly, it was a bounce/chin dig. Needless to say, I got good at flairing, but it was very rare I could taxi back to the pits ! Great Fun!

The RCM came out with the beauty contest results... Oh well, next time. They were better entries than mine.

A month or two later, I get a letter saying there is a package at the Post Office. Jumped on my bicycle, to find a kit shaped box...

A very nice note from Paul Bender, thanking me for entering. And a Hobby Shack 'Das Slupen Thing' glider kit !
A 'fortune' for a kid ! I was looking for Fame !(built it, sent pictures and Thanks, and learned Hi-Start glider launching with it.)

And no kidding, at that time, it was very rare (and 'Cool'!) to get a package sent here, all the way from California !

For those who could not fly a 'Real Thing'...
It is a parasol wing 'Ugly Stick', with flat bottom airfoil, but 'Uglier.'
That is its 'Charm'. It does fly, very well.

And, if I remember right, on the plans, you could opt for the 'permanent retracts'...
Don't install the wheels !

Thanks again, for the memories !

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 1:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those are some great inputs from Ken with only a 4 digit AMA number, so I know he's been around for a while and from Dave, who's also been around. This winter I'm thinking my next kit build will be the Real Thing, original version. I'm planning to put an Enya .19 TV in it, be a real hot dog of a flier.

Landing gear was not designed for touch and goes, basically hand launched. I don't have the WWI vintage wheels, but have a set of old Dubro low bounce wheels. It will have a sort of Ugly Duck look to it. I should have good wind penetration with the heavier engine in Clovis winds. Mount servos ala 3D style near the control surfaces with short pushrods should help with the balance.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 4:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi George,

The landing gear placement on the Real Thing seemed to me, to be a little too far fwd. More suited to 'static display' and not to landing.

This is in hindsight, 30+ years later....

I highly recommend not using Trexler wheels and fenders!

Let us know if you find the LG 'sweetspot'

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 9:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cross Check The landing gear placement on the Real Thing seemed to me, to be a little too far fwd. More suited to 'static display' and not to landing. This is in hindsight, 30+ years later.... I highly recommend not using Trexler wheels and fenders! Let us know if you find the LG 'sweetspot'

Dave, I think the whole kit as designed was in hindsight.

I think I'll leave the LG stock. It was design IMO mainly as a "fly until the fuel runs out and deadstick land", preferably in tall grass. As far as if I wanted to revise the LG, it is a standard parasol; shouldn't be hard through standard design practices. But then it wouldn't be The Real Thing.

One could probably place an underside hook near the LG and high start catapult the sucker.

(Back to a non-cynical mood.) Actually what I like about the kit is it is an easy quick building, relaxing sport flier. I'll give periodic updates as things progress.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 9:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GallopingGhostler

Those are some great inputs from Ken with only a 4 digit AMA number, so I know he's been around for a while and from Dave, who's also been around.


George,

Don't be confused by the 4 digit AMA number. I have a 5 digit number (32873) that I got in about 1965. When I became a CD I had an option to get a 4 digit number, which I did not. 4 digit numbers are reserved for CD's if they want them. It's unlikely a person with an original 4 digit number is still alive.

Sorry to get this off topic.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 1/2/2013 10:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iflyj3 Don't be confused by the 4 digit AMA number. I have a 5 digit number (32873) that I got in about 1965. When I became a CD I had an option to get a 4 digit number, which I did not. 4 digit numbers are reserved for CD's if they want them. It's unlikely a person with an original 4 digit number is still alive. Sorry to get this off topic.

Dan, thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that 4 number AMA'ers could be contest directors. My number is a little over twice yours (74677), but then I got mine in the late 1970's. I had it earlier than that with a lower number but let it lapse for a couple years before re-applying. Regarding being off topic, I think that anything that helps to correct a misconception or non-fact to establish the truth is not off topic and appropriate.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 4/25/2013 4:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems like Hobby Shack is having a bit of fun with French insignias on The Real Thing (mock III?). I have a set of early American insignias used on planes like the Thomas Morse Scout, white star in a blue circular field with a red circle in the center.



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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 4/25/2013 6:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GallopingGhostler

Those are some great inputs from Ken with only a 4 digit AMA number, so I know he's been around for a while and from Dave, who's also been around.


George,

Don't be confused by the 4 digit AMA number. I have a 5 digit number (32873) that I got in about 1965. When I became a CD I had an option to get a 4 digit number, which I did not. 4 digit numbers are reserved for CD's if they want them. It's unlikely a person with an original 4 digit number is still alive.

Sorry to get this off topic.


My Dad's number is in the 11 thousands, low 5 digit and he is only 61 so an original 4 digit could be active. he got his AMA sometime in the late 1950's

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 4/27/2013 3:41 PM   
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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/5/2013 1:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi guys, just got done reading all these post's on "the real thing", great to see some people still like this crazy plane. I had one when I was 10 years old and loved it. Now 30 some years later and getting back into the hobby I saw that hobby people had it available again as an art, had to have it!  So I purchased it installed a 15 size brushless outrunner 30 amp esc 11.1v2200mah battery and 2 mini 9.8gram servos. I flew it yesterday for the first time, flew great and did everything I expected it to do for a 3 channel plane, great slow speed stability and high speed more then enough power. But although it flew great it won't be flying again! Coming to the bottom of a normal loop the wing snapped in two and down it came, now I have many pieces of the real thing.  I will get another but this time I will replace the plywood wing spar joiner they send with a carbon fiber piece, and I would suggest anyone buying this arc to do the same.  Sorry for the lengthy post, I just wanted to inform others out there.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/5/2013 2:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		joeljelly, I think your post is very appropriate. Anyone who purchases the The Real Thing ARF needs to be aware of a weakness in the wing spar that could fail as you stated. I gather they didn't anticipate one to put such a powerful motor on it perhaps, something more like equivalent to a mild .09. The original one from 1974? was stated to use a .049 to .10 engine, the .10 being one of the older cross scavenged baffle piston ones. (A modern .10 Schneurle is roughly the output of one of the older cross scavenged .15's.) A Cox reed valve would be too small and I imagine that they were intending at least a Tee Dee.

I was thinking of installing an Enya .19-VI TV in mine, an original kit of the 1980's. Now that you reminded me, I'll want to make sure it has a good wing spar joint so it doesn't do the lawn dart thing.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/12/2013 6:36 PM   
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We built and flew the Real Thing for almost a year...in 1974. Hobby People had contests on modifying the model and we even flew races with them. Mine all flew quite well, with OS .10 engines and it was simple to build. We flew the smaller version with great good luck and at one race, we had five flying...no mid airs...and lots of laughs. The model was so simple, it was easy to fix and could be built in one day...well almost one day. Thanks for the memories...
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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/12/2013 10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bob Paris, thanks for also reminding me, those were good times. I used to fly at the public model plane field east of the Pali Pass on the way to Kaneohe on Oahu. Back in 1970, Lahaina was a sleepy town, even the fast food restaurants closed at 5pm.

You are correct, it is doggedly simple to build, an easy scratch build if one so desires. With the modern advent of 1/4" (6mm) sheet foam, I imagine one could build one out of foam as well.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/18/2013 5:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I built a Real Thing from a Hobby Shack kit in 1992 and I powered it with an old FOX .15. It was neat little flyer. I built it in the 3 channel version and covered it to look like an Ugly Stick and entered it in the county fair model building contest and took 2nd place with it. Unfortunately, my radio took a hit and it went in. I found some plans for it and am thinking of building another one but with a foam core wing.

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RE: Old Hobby Shack Model - 5/19/2013 2:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to let everyone out there know, I contacted Hobby People and told them of my problem with the wing spar and suggested they contact the manufacturer of the kit and have the spar changed. They said they would look into it and also had a new kit sent to me which I really didn't expect. Great customer service from Hobby People!

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