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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 12/31/2002 8:55:48 PM

TopShelf

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I have had friends approach me that know I fly RC and think it is something they might be interested in. I would love to take them up on the buddy box to give them a taste of it but can't since my club does not participate in the Introductory Pilot program. So, I proposed to my club that we participate and volunteered to manage the program.

So, what I would like to know is what kind of experiences people have had with the program. Any problems that have occurred or other "gotcha's" that are not obvious in the AMA documentation.

Thanks,

Kent

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 12/31/2002 9:27:38 PM

Hossfly

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>>>>>
So, what I would like to know is what kind of experiences people have had with the program. Any problems that have occurred or other "gotcha's" that are not obvious in the AMA documentation.

Thanks,

Kent
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IMO, this is one of the best programs that AMA has, and to my knowledge it is void of sneaky-petes, and is not designed to futher restrict the Club's operations such as the SC is.
There is a considerable amount of paperwork required if you run the show according to the rules. That gets a bit time consuming, if -- let's say that you are hosting a big Fly-In -- and you have a number of spectators to give some buddy-cord time to, and use the Intro Pilot program to do that. (The one person -- one time rule could allow you to get away with such introduction, and save the paperwork.)
In the real purpose of the program, I suggest you set up a notebook with all the forms, plus a log record, and keep it at the field if your field has the facilities. Just be sure any lessons are logged and the required forms are completed and sent to AMA after those lessons.
Once started any individual has only 30 days in the program.

It is a very good thing and it works well for my club.

Intro. Pilot for 7 years, Jetero RC Club, Inc.

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/1/2003 8:07:01 AM

HitecRedneck

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TopShelf you should inform your club that the AMA allows you to take these would be pilots up and infact incourages you to do so. Sounds like a inner club restriction rather than a fact.

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/1/2003 6:49:51 PM

ctdahle

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The bottom line is that if it is your plane and you let a non AMA member fly it under your supervision, for ONE demonstration flight (The ONE TIME EACH Rule) and while doing so, he loses control of the plane and you grab the box back from him, but it's too late and your model kills someone, your AMA insurance covers. This is true for ANY AMA member who uses his own equipment, and there is no paperwork unless there is an incident. SO you can safely line up the whole boy scout troop and let them all fly your Kadet on the buddy box no paperwork required. Just don't let the scouts go back for seconds when your batteries are getting low at the end of the day.

If, on the other hand, the new flyer shows up with his own plane and you agree to instruct him, and then his plane goes haywire and plows through a school bus full of preschoolers, neither of you are covered and probably both of you are going to lose your homes, retirement funds and all of your kids college money in the resulting lawsuit. Not good, and that is why there is the intro pilot program.

In the intro pilot program, YOU have to be one of the club's designated instruction pilots (there is a small fee for this) and the new flyer has to send in his five bucks and a form in order to be covered for THIRTY DAYS. (If he is still flying after that, he's gotta join the AMA)

Since I am NOT a member of an AMA sanctioned club, I can't be a designated instructor pilot, so as a general rule, I don't fly ANYONE else's airplane at the club site (on the grounds of a municipal airport where there are a few expensive airplanes that concievably someone could fly into, incurring more damage than I want to pay for) unless they join the AMA, but I do give lots of demonstration flights on my OWN airplane.

Remember that all of these rules simply affect whether you have insurance or not. If you want to let Joe Glutz fly your airplane forever without joining the AMA, that's between you, him, and your club. The AMA isn't going to fine you or something, they just won't cover you if Joe kills someone with your plane.

In all of this, you need to apply a rule of rationality. I have no hesitation about teaching a new flyer who has packed down his own runway on his own 1/4 section even though he has no AMA. If someone has their own personal flying site in the middle of nowhere and the only thing to crash into is his own potato sheds, I'm not too worried about liability.

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/1/2003 10:33:35 PM

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Guys,

Thanks for the input. I was unaware of the one time only rule, I just assumed I could not take them up at all. That will help me with my really eager friends but it still seems like a good idea to have the club be involved with the intro pilot program.

Kent

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/1/2003 11:43:17 PM

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>>>>>>>>>
In the intro pilot program, YOU have to be one of the club's designated instruction pilots (there is a small fee for this) and the new flyer has to send in his five bucks and a form in order to be covered for THIRTY DAYS. (If he is still flying after that, he's gotta join the AMA)
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Not a correct statement.

The $5 is the Club's fee for designating an Intro Pilot.

No funds are required of the trainee. See AMA Document 906.
Not to be confused with document 547.

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/2/2003 10:08:24 AM

rcmodeller324

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I have been an intro pilot for several years. It is a great program to introduce newcomers to the hobby while limiting their expenses. It is very important to remember that for you to use the intro program, proper documentation is required. If you fail to keep up with the paper work, the program is invalid.

Bob Mason
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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/2/2003 7:28:55 PM

ctdahle

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Yep, Horace is right, no fee to the student, just to the club to designate an instructor. I went from memory rather than looking at 906 (see http://modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/906.pdf )

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/2/2003 10:15:11 PM

William Robison

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Hey, all:

Please tell me where in the AMA docs I can find this "One time" exemption. I have doc #906, that's the 30 day intro, and the club is limited to three people doing it. Tell me where my authorization is to do the one time thing, please.

Thank you.

Turn your plane into bean stakes,
. one time is all it takes.

Bill.

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/3/2003 8:14:15 AM

Hossfly

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>>>>>>
Hey, all:

Please tell me where in the AMA docs I can find this "One time" exemption. I have doc #906, that's the 30 day intro, and the club is limited to three people doing it. Tell me where my authorization is to do the one time thing, please.
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I forget the Number but I seem to recall it being near the bottom of the list. I'll be real nice and allow you the experience of looking for it. (;-))

The Name is "Flying at AMA Chartered Club Sites."

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AMA Introductory Pilot Prgram - 1/3/2003 8:46:33 AM

William Robison

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Thanks, Hoss.

Having the name of the doc, seems you've done the search for me.

All that requires pain,
. you've done and left me the fame?

Bill.

PS:It's doc #911. wr

< Message edited by William Robison -- Jan 3 2003 3:53AM >

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