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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super con... - 1/17/2008 10:07:56 PM   
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Status: online 		Is there any good metal paint available that could be used instead of tape type material?. I recently head about flite metal 3 stage paint offered by BVM but I couldn't find it on their website. Anybody have experience with this product?.


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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super conni... - 1/26/2008 8:50:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I took these many years ago on a visit to the AHM at Kansas City.
Plus one additional taken onboard the HARS C121C at Avalon last year.
Hope they may be of use and good luck.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super conni... - 1/26/2008 2:43:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Woody!

Would you send me picture number three in a higher resolution by e-mail? Is it a disc brake?
I´m constructing a computer-model of a Lufthansa Super Constellation and they had also that type of brakes. And I never found such a good photo. Have you also done a shot of the Super Constellation Logo I´m still searching for? The one I have is not good enough.

Frank

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 1/29/2008 11:27:24 AM   
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Status: online 		Hey Thanks Woody

Those are awsome shots and I am sure they will come handy.

I recently bought Kranz Boeing 727-200
1/16th scale model for my second project.I was thinking on building Canadair North Star but now 727 has taken its spot but frankly speaking I don't want to do another 2year project least not back to back. This boy being but smaller in scale then Connie but its 10' long and has 9' wingspan. I will post its pictures with Connie in near future.

As for update on Connie's build nothing new, she has been on 2 month break so far but it should be done in next 3 to 4 months airframe wise only.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/4/2008 12:01:37 AM   
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Status: online 		Well its been 2 months since I performed any work on the Connie, its time to get back on it. Yesterday I took my both giants outside on snow covered driveway to get pictures of them togather and I have to say B727 is all over bigger model but Connie has its own grace and beauty!, most interesting feature I loved about both planes is the diehedral on the Connie's wing and those 4 big engine pods. I will post pictures soon!.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/4/2008 11:23:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Give this place a call. The product is Skinny Dip. It is a very fine powder that you apply with a spray adhesive supplied in the kit. We used it on our Ziroli P-51 and it worked great. Basically you finish as normal/ Sand, glass, sand primer, sand some more then finish with very fine sand paper. Down into the 800 or better grit. Then you tape off each panel. Apply light coat of adhesive with an air brush. Apply aluminum powder with the cotton swab. You can rub it in various direction to simulate aluminum sheet. A bit tedious but it is super light. Next to nothing and no real paint fumes except a bit from the adhesive. You will look like the tin man after a panel session. You can use panel lines if you want and use this stuff to highlight them. We used several Testor metalizer paints to mix with the adhesive to tint the panes as required. We have some that look like stainless around the exhaust. A couple panels we just left as primer as the full size had. Great stuff and not too expensive.

http://www.impscale.com/



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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/6/2008 6:39:30 AM   
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Status: online 		Now this is something I would give test shot at. Price seems very resonable but only question I have is:

Spraying adhesive through air brushes!, won't this clog up or glue the internals of the airbrush itself ?.
On personal note I have used few different types of Testor/modelmaster metalizers on plastic models. In past but I never had to spray any sort of adhesive through airbrush before. I had excellent results with metalizers and also Alclad II metal paints.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/6/2008 7:13:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		We just kept a large air brush bottle of laquer thinner and switched to it to clean the air brush out each time. You have to let the adhesive dry a bit anyway so there is plenty of time. the adhesive is kinda like a contact cement. It's not wet unless you spray it on too heavy. You don't need this.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/6/2008 7:36:49 PM   
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Can you post some pictures of your Ziroli Mustang on here for us to see the finish.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/6/2008 8:12:27 PM   
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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/7/2008 4:16:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are a couple of pictures of "skinny dip". These pictures are at least 10 years old so it isn't quite up to todays standards. We had to crop off some of the background junk but the images are unretouched. This plane has won 3 scale contest in it's early days. It is dipicted as a new aiplane might appear. I'm not into competition but I had to enter these to fly or participate in the events. Part of my scale standards are to only show what can be seen at a reasonable given scale distance and at proper scale size. For example a removable panel might...might have 1/8 inch edge or scar around it. at 1/5 scale it appears as 1/8 / 5= .025". Just under 1/32" So it follows that butt joints that are more normal and are nearly invisible. At best a discoloration of the panels from a distance. The bottom line I usually only show removable panels and noticable panels. Try it some time and see what I mean.

Anyway the P-51 was not quite complete in the pictures. You can clearly see the panel distinctions in the bottom view of the wings. Sharp eyes will notice the functional counterweights on the ailerons. The lower quarter shots don't really do justice as the exhaust is more of a yellowy color representing stainless. The gray is just primer as i have seen on several P-51 and even in some wartime shots of this plane. The left side shot you can see the grain I think in the aluminum and yet there is no marked seam. Just as the full size might appear from the scale distance. Yes it does have scale functioning exhaust but this is the first generation and the new 3rd gen is far better.

By the way this stuff is quite gas proof as finished if you let it sit a week or so. I had the plane out in the sun several times before I started testing the motor so it had plenty o f time to set up. I had no trouble with it fading or washing off. I guess it can be clear coated but I don't think IMP recommends it.

We are getting close to deciding on finish for the Z-B-25 and we are leaning towards the Skinny dip for the whole thing. Mainly because there are almost no fumes from this stuff and to keep the weight down under 50 pounds.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/20/2008 7:32:01 PM   
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Status: online 		Looks as my buddy is busy with work quite a bit so I have to take this task upon myself. I need guidence from experianced ones on how to make FG wing tube slevees. I know roughly how to do them but what is good methord to do it and what material should be good to wrap around aluminum tube before wrapping glass cloth tape?.

Wax paper or thin guage of mylar.

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RE: Scratch building 105" W/S Super co... - 2/22/2008 7:39:11 PM   
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Status: online 		Another question for machinests, What is best aluminum to be used for nose strut on this model?

T6 6061 or 7075 or 2024..

Nose strut is 9.5" long with suspention any steering but with out upper and lower drag struts.

Bentwings I will get back to you once I see your posted pictures on PC.


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