RE: 4 stroke pick?

RE: 4 stroke pick?
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> Glow Engines, Gas Engines, Fuel & Mfg Support Forums >> Glow Engines >> RE: 4 stroke pick?

Page: << < prev 1 2 3 [4] 5 next > >>

[Poll]

4 stroke pick?

Saito 125

43% (40)

OS 120

19% (18)

YS 120

36% (34)

Total Votes : 92

(last vote on : 9/29/2008 9:49:35 AM)
(Poll will run till: -- )

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 3:02:53 PM

Richard L.

Posts: 8775
Joined: 7/28/2002
From: Redmond, WA, USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: car147
Exactly why i have never bought a YS, and dont intend to either, i mean unless your really needing the power (competition etc) why go to this trouble of new rings?????

You WILL need new rings when you go through 50+ gallons, no matter what engine

I DID say the engine still runs great, so it's not necessary to get a new ring. Plus, replacing a ring is a no brainer job. I like having the extra power even though I don't compete, just like anyone else in his/her right mind.

< Message edited by Richard L. -- 7/31/2006 3:11:16 PM >

_____________________________

http://www.WarbirdObsession.com/
Tamiya Panther, Tamiya King Tiger(3), Tamiya Tiger I, HL Tiger(3), HL Panzer III(2), HL Panther, HL Pershing, HL Bulldog, WSN T-34/85, HE Leopard 2A5

(in reply to car147)

Post #: 76

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 3:10:33 PM

MOTORMAN37

Posts: 2088
Joined: 10/26/2002
From: CLINTONVILLE, WI, USA
Status: offline

Stevl,
Why would you put the YS 1.20 in this pole anyways, as they do not make it any more. The 1.10 has replaced it.

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 77

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 4:18:23 PM

bla bla

Posts: 1580
Joined: 9/19/2002
From: Oslo, NORWAY
Status: offline

quote:

I know of quite a few YS's that have well over 50 gallons and have never had the ring replaced.

Are you impressed with that?
I've put that much through one engine in a season.
Many, very serious pattern flyers would do far more.
That's why I often say if you've haven't had problems with your YS you simply haven't run them enough.
Are you a part time hobby YS'er?

< Message edited by bla bla -- 7/31/2006 4:22:48 PM >

_____________________________

BR blabla

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 78

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 4:31:53 PM

StevL

Posts: 88
Joined: 2/14/2006
From: Irmo, SC, USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MOTORMAN37

Stevl,
Why would you put the YS 1.20 in this pole anyways, as they do not make it any more. The 1.10 has replaced it.

As I stated before I'm new to this hobby. In doing some reading, the talk was about the YS 120, I later found after starting this thread that the 110 replaced it.... I just couldn't replace the poll.

We will fly the showtime this afternoon using the 125 Saito I pulled from another plane. I should know after a few flights if it has enough power for me or if I need to look for another option.

As a side question;
I've read the pros and cons of 4 vs. 2 stroke but in the real world has anyone in this thread used a two stroke for their 3d plane or replaced a 4 stroke with a 2 stroke?

Thanks for the interesting reading!

Steve

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 79

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 5:31:22 PM

Ed Cregger

Posts: 7735
Joined: 1/31/2002
From: Ringgold, GA, USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard L.

quote:

ORIGINAL: car147
Exactly why i have never bought a YS, and dont intend to either, i mean unless your really needing the power (competition etc) why go to this trouble of new rings?????

You WILL need new rings when you go through 50+ gallons, no matter what engine I DID say the engine still runs great, so it's not necessary to get a new ring. Plus, replacing a ring is a no brainer job. I like having the extra power even though I don't compete, just like anyone else in his/her right mind.

----------------

Now wait a minute. If you can obtain the same amount of power (more displacement) without significant weight gain, but with decreased complexity, I think that is a no brainer.

Back when one was displacement limited in various competition classes, running a YS just for the additional power made a lot of sense. That is how and why they became so popular. Nothing else could compete for a given displacement. Still can't. However, in pattern flying the displacement limit has been removed for quite some time. Granted, the pressurized fuel delivery system of the YS has been refined to the point that that feature alone, despite displacement limits being eliminated, gives many folks an excellent reason to continue buying/using YS engines, but it is not as solidly written in stone as it once was when the displacement limit was in place.

I do agree that for those that are really serious about their powerplant's reliability and tractability, YS is still the way to go. But I wouldn't say that others are stupid (indirectly) for using other types of engines. After all, this IS just a hobby.

_____________________________

Artisan

"Flying models since the Fifties - I'll get the hang of this yet!!!"

(in reply to Richard L.)

Post #: 80

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 7:19:00 PM

MOTORMAN37

Posts: 2088
Joined: 10/26/2002
From: CLINTONVILLE, WI, USA
Status: offline

I am not, but so many knock the YS, and have no clue what they are talking about. If the pattern rules do not still put the YS on top dominating pattern, how come nobody is running a Big Saito 1.80 or 2.20 they are comparable weight, and there is no engine limit in size, because even with the added cubes they will not perform at the same level or even come close to it. Sure some have tried the piped two strokes, with injection and all, but they still are getting beat by YS's all the time. I would rather have a smaller much more efficient engine (YS) anyday. In all my flying in the last three years, I have never had to replace one part on my YS. It continues to run like a "LION". I myself just can not hold back from laughing at some of the commnets on here.

I don care what kind of model engine you have, if you run 20-30% nitro and run it hard, you will have to rebuild it someday. I myself run about 3 cases a season through a YS 1.10, Tower .75, and Maggie .61 alltogether.

I go and fly and very seldom ever adjust a needle, and very often see people who cannot make a simple .40 size engine run. Now if I remember correctly, the "Showtime does not really have an ideal tank location anyways, so in a month you will be back on here trying to find out how to keep it from flooding. Then people will tell you to run a $60.00 regulater, which puts you right back up with the complexity of a YS, and you still will not have anywhere near the performance, but you will have spent more money.

< Message edited by MOTORMAN37 -- 7/31/2006 7:32:30 PM >

(in reply to Ed Cregger)

Post #: 81

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 8:02:39 PM

bla bla

Posts: 1580
Joined: 9/19/2002
From: Oslo, NORWAY
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MOTORMAN37

I myself run about 3 cases a season through a YS 1.10, Tower .75, and Maggie .61 alltogether.

If your YS knowlege is based on a measly3 cases a season through a 1.10... you've got a long way to go.
I've used 40 gallons a season, year after year, through one engine alone... the pro pilots in the US, I'd guess 60-80 gallons.
The reason certain YS's are so popular within the pattern circuit is for precisely the reasons you hobby pilots aren't doing at all!
Namely, very high torque/power being delivered at very lower RPMs through highly developed super quiet muffler pipes and a fabulously linier throttle response.
How many times do people go on about the YS throttle response... well this is some thing that you've never whitness... because you aren't using the correct equipment and and running the engines as they're supposed to be!!!
We want massive power delivered with no noise! Thus we want big props, low RPM. That what these big YS engines are designed specifically to do.
The small ones are designed specifically to take money from "want-a-be" punters.

< Message edited by bla bla -- 7/31/2006 8:05:33 PM >

_____________________________

BR blabla

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 82

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 8:18:08 PM

MOTORMAN37

Posts: 2088
Joined: 10/26/2002
From: CLINTONVILLE, WI, USA
Status: offline

bla-bla,
"Want-a-bee's", I do exactly what I like in the hobby.

Your name seems to really match your personality "BLA_BLA_BLA_BLA".

I don care if you drink and bathe in glow fuel, I am speaking from my personal experiences.

I totaly understand why YS's are used, and that is exactly why I made the comment about Saito's never makeing the same kinda of power.

So don't try to tell me something I allready know.

< Message edited by MOTORMAN37 -- 7/31/2006 8:32:05 PM >

(in reply to bla bla)

Post #: 83

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 8:32:16 PM

bla bla

Posts: 1580
Joined: 9/19/2002
From: Oslo, NORWAY
Status: offline

_____________________________

BR blabla

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 84

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 9:12:32 PM

XJet

Posts: 3451
Joined: 3/31/2003
From: Tokoroa, NEW ZEALAND
Status: offline

So, in summary...

There is no "best" motor because everyone's needs and perspectives are different.

For some people the "best" is a YS -- because that's what the want/need.

For others it's a Saito -- for the same reasons.

I think it's safe to say that virtually all modern 4-strokes are "good" engines and although I personally fly Saitos, I've got nothing against YS, OS, Magnum or whatever -- I've just made the choice based on my wants, needs and perspectives.

Others will choose their engines on similar grounds.

Flying is fun, regardless of the letters etched into the side of that lump of aluminum you've got bolted to the front :-)

_____________________________

When I'm not here, I'm at RCModelReviews

(in reply to bla bla)

Post #: 85

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 9:59:10 PM

MOTORMAN37

Posts: 2088
Joined: 10/26/2002
From: CLINTONVILLE, WI, USA
Status: offline

Saito's are fine engines if you can settle for an engine with mediocre power output, but if your plane has tank location issues or you are looking for exciteing performance, then it is time to try a YS. Chances are you will never switch back.

(in reply to XJet)

Post #: 86

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 11:16:42 PM

Hobbsy

Posts: 10677
Joined: 12/2/2001
From: Colonial Beach, VA, USA
Status: offline

Correction, Saitos have excellent power for naturally aspirated engines and they are not "whether/weather" engines like YSs. Whether your YS will run tomorrow the same as today is like counting on the weather. Ala, my experience yesterday, that's why I keep a drawer full of YS regulator parts.

_____________________________

"I have gone faster backwards, upside down and on fire than most people have gone at all" Don Garlits

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 87

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/31/2006 11:19:12 PM

jessiej

Posts: 1803
Joined: 7/6/2003
From: STATESBORO, GA, USA
Status: offline

Gee Motorman, you really get emotional about YS engines don't you?

jess

(in reply to MOTORMAN37)

Post #: 88

RE: 4 stroke pick? - 8/1/2006 12:00:03 AM

bla bla

Posts: 1580
Joined: 9/19/2002
From: Oslo, NORWAY
Status: offline

Did that guy buy that Enya 155R?
Very nice engine, if you ever get the chance to buy an Enya 4 stroke, even a little one, take it.
The wonderfull thing is that you don't even need to put it in an airplane to get pleasure from it.
You can just hold it while you what TV... and use the tiny tool kit to open and tighten various bolts.
They're very tactile.
You cant understand it until you own one.
I still have a tiny Enya .41 four stroke in a modifide little Lanair Extra 325... swinging a 11x7 APC... and swinging it well.
It's got to be 10years old...
Jez, that crazy little combo has the best power to wieght ratio of any plane I've ever owned.

_____________________________

BR blabla

(in reply to jessiej)

Post #: 89