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4 stroke pick?


Saito 125
  43% (40)
OS 120
  19% (18)
YS 120
  36% (34)


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4 stroke pick? - 7/24/2006 6:34:01 PM   
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I'm a two Saito owner and I love the power, light weight, and easy idle. I do not like the vibration! I'm finishing a Showtime and started shopping for another engine.

I would love your honest and candid comments about the brands listed in the poll. I know we all love what we buy most of the time but I do have second thoughts about Saito. Especially since one I have spun a bearing (second at our field in 6 weeks) and Horizon has not emailed me back in over a week after I sent them an email asking about service
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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/24/2006 7:48:10 PM   
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OS perfectly combines power, torque, quality and reliability. It simply set the standards.

Saito usually gives more power at less weight but many times at the cost of reliability or quality or "easy to use".

This is my personal experience after using several engines of both brands.

However, as a modeller I like pluralism in the hobby and I will continue testing different engine brands.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/24/2006 8:19:27 PM   
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I love YS and Saito engines, and they both have appications, but tocompare them next to each other is a joke. The YS wins hands down. The YS 1.20 and a Saito 1.25 are not in the same catagory. For gosh sakes a YS 1.10 will outperform a Saito 1.25 any day of the week, and if your after ease of brake in and the ability to locate the tank anywere with spectacular performance there is no substitute for a YS
This topic as been beat to death in many other threads months ago. Do your self a favor and try a search. If any of you out there are OS fans, I have 3 OS 1.20 Surpass II pump engines for sale.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/24/2006 10:52:02 PM   
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Depends what your going to use it for. I would go for the OS for general use due to its reliability use of low nitro fuel. I would go with the Saito if you need a bit more performance and lite weight. If your asking these quetions, a YS may not be for you.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 12:27:45 AM   
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I have put the first 10 flights on my buddys Showtime. It is Saito 1.25 powered. He is reluctant to run 30% nitro. On 15% it seems under powered to me. The engine is still new and running rich but needs 85% throttle to hover. In comparison I fly a QQ 72" Yak with a Saito 1.80. These two planes are close in size and weight. The Yak feels twice as strong as the Showtime. My engine has about 20 flights on it so is a little more broken in. I would offer this advice. Run the 1.25 with 30% or go to a 1.50 Saito or 1.40 YS. I plane like the Showtime should have a 2:1 power to weight ratio IMHO. I don't think a 1.20 is going to give that.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 3:14:49 AM   
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Motorman37,

How much for your 3 OS 1.20 pumpers?

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I love YS and Saito engines, and they both have appications, but tocompare them next to each other is a joke. The YS wins hands down. The YS 1.20 and a Saito 1.25 are not in the same catagory. For gosh sakes a YS 1.10 will outperform a Saito 1.25 any day of the week, and if your after ease of brake in and the ability to locate the tank anywere with spectacular performance there is no substitute for a YS
This topic as been beat to death in many other threads months ago. Do your self a favor and try a search. If any of you out there are OS fans, I have 3 OS 1.20 Surpass II pump engines for sale.


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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 5:01:53 AM   
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I was just talking to my friend the other day about them. They are not mine but my friends. I will be selling them for him soon. The EAA is going on now here and I will not see him for a few days. I know all three have very low time on them. I guess I will try to get as much as I can. As Soon as I get them in my possesion I will take some pics. Would you like me to PM you when I recieve them. I was either going to try RCU again, or maybee ebay.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 2:41:23 PM   
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Take a ride to a Pattern contest, and tell me how many Saito's and OS'S you see there. When it get right down to performance, there is no equal to a YS.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 9:16:20 PM   
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Motorman37,

Once you have possesion of the motors, please email me at: atsioukl@tampabay.rr.com.

Thanks,

Anthony

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/25/2006 9:32:26 PM   
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I have a Saito 150 and its a great engine. Runs perfect and idles all day long I can idle for minutes in a long descent to landing, panic and hit the throttle fast for a go around and the power is there instantly

I do not like the vibration either I have never owned another 4 stroke engine besides a Saito... Do all the 4 strokes vibrate about the same amount ??? Or are the Saitos worse than the other brands of the same size ???

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/26/2006 1:08:05 AM   
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Most of my YS four strokes idle as smooth as silk and run like beasts. The YS 120FZ, which I currently own two, has almost the same power output as the Saito 150, which I "had" one. All of my YS four strokes run perfect and idle all day long, even with the tank mounted right on the CG.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/26/2006 4:53:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MOTORMAN37

Take a ride to a Pattern contest, and tell me how many Saito's and OS'S you see there. When it get right down to performance, there is no equal to a YS.



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There are many kinds of performance. Developing power in a high performance manner is only one of them.

Simplicity and the ability to run well on lower nitro fuel is also performance of a kind. While I own YS engines myself, I also own Saito, Enya, OS and Magnum four-strokes as well. Powering a less than 80" Cub with a YS is a waste of money and it is unneeded added complexity.



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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/26/2006 6:44:07 AM   
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Artism,
The one thing that most people are overlooking, is the fact that most Saito's are being run on high nitro. Then why not run a YS to start with. My YS 1.10 is a much better mannered engine than my Saito 1.00 could ever think of being. My YS ran perfect out of the box. My Saito took quite a bit of adjusting to get it tamed down, and it still shakes horibly compared to my YS. On top of the fact, I am running a Cline because the tank is not located correctly (over an inch higher than the carb), that is the way H9 designed the Hell Cat. I have never seen a YS that did not run excellent. Allmost all of the problems people have with YS's are due to fact, that they do not follow the directions.

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RE: 4 stroke pick? - 7/26/2006 8:38:30 AM   
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quote:

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Artism,
The one thing that most people are overlooking, is the fact that most Saito's are being run on high nitro. Then why not run a YS to start with. My YS 1.10 is a much better mannered engine than my Saito 1.00 could ever think of being. My YS ran perfect out of the box. My Saito took quite a bit of adjusting to get it tamed down, and it still shakes horibly compared to my YS. On top of the fact, I am running a Cline because the tank is not located correctly (over an inch higher than the carb), that is the way H9 designed the Hell Cat. I have never seen a YS that did not run excellent. Allmost all of the problems people have with YS's are due to fact, that they do not follow the directions.



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While I do enjoy YS engines, their models go out of production and are replaced very often and their selection of sizes is very limited. Yes, both YS and Saito went nitro crazy some years ago. I'm still ticked about that, but you know that.

A great many modelers like to be able to buy an engine and to know that even if they don't get around to using it for a few years, parts will still be easily available when they do get around to using it. This is not always true with YS (and now OS). Again, I'm speaking over a very long period of experience. Someone relatively new to the hobby, under ten years of participation, might not see it this way at all.

YS has many advantages, I agree. That is why I own some too. If they would offer their engines with higher compression, as they once did, I would fly more of them in sport planes.

As far as vibration goes, there is only so much that one can do to balance a single cylinder engine. There is no way to balance it for all rpm ranges, or completely balance it for any one rpm range, YS or otherwise. The engine's weight has a direct correlation to the perceived vibration level of the engine.

YS engines are never accused of being light, which can disguise their normal amount of mechanical vibration and power pulse vibration. Saito is penalized because it produces good power, but because they are light, the user perceives more vibration. Technically, the YS power pulses are stronger than any other four-stroke engine's power pulse, but the YS engine weighs so much, it isn't as noticable.

I'm not against YS. I'm not pro Saito to the point of being ridiculously prejudiced. I like them all. Each have pros and cons.

I do feel that the average modeler does himself a disservice by using a YS if he is not an engine man. Those having difficulties adjusting an atmospherically aspirated model engine can find themselves way beyond their level of competence when running a YS. Especially when something goes amiss.





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