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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/24/2007 3:09:46 PM   
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I bought the SK50 and SK80 a couple years ago when they were on sale at Kangke.

The SK50 was around 50$.

At that time I ran them both on the test stand and broke the ringed SK80 in rich and the ABC SK50 in leaner but still smoking good with extra castor in the mix(Byrons 10%nitro 20% total oil with added castor).

The SK50 was tight but not unreasonably so and made the knocking noise at slower speeds but started and transitioned good on the stand.

I have just started flying The SK50 now and have about 4-5 tanks of fuel through it and it is just breaking in.

There have been no dead sticks or engine problems of any kind. It is using the original glow plug.

The needle setting is a little undefined but is getting better(or I am getting used to it). Transition is good and a lot better than other engines I have and it is still getting better...I have not yet tried to lean it out. The carb is a slightly rich in the midrange. I started off with an 11x7.5MA and am now running a 12/5APC. It ran fine on both props no overheating etc. The engine is in a Phoenix Sea Bee pattern type plane with a cowl. Power is good but not overly spectacular and the engine is fairly heavy but probably the same weight as the others that it is patterned after. I am still using the break in fuel at this point.

This engines is one of a few that I have that will start by just flicking the spinner backwards. I managed three flights on Saturday before the winds came up and even the first flight after a couple priming flicks I hooked up my glow starter and it started on the first back-flick of the spinner cold. After that I just fueled up and one back flick and it was running. It still has a good pinch and knocks a little cold at idle.

Overall I think it was one of the better 50$ I have spent. I also think that most people would have had less problems with this engine than many others in the same price range. Definately better than some Super Tigers I have seen. It is a great match to my Sea Bee which by the way flys great for 80$(on sale at Bisson years ago). I wish it was a little lighter but other than that no complaints!


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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/24/2007 10:47:50 PM   
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As a side note, I have a question for those using aluminum spinners with the SK90.

What spinner and adapter nut are you using?

Thanks,

Pedro

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/25/2007 5:28:38 AM   
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Hi Xjet,I suppose engines directly from China are second rate engines from factory Q/C processing looking at prices they offer and after your experiences.My mentioned engines are all Kangke origin and never had such a complaint and Im sure those engines are too run 2,5 tanks on ground and fly same day engines.



Yep, it's been my experience that if you want a better chance of success with a Chinese engine, you're much better off buying from the local dealer/distributor. If they're doing their job properly, they'll be providing the *real* QC that the Chinese don't bother with.

I"m not disappointed with the SK -- it's still a bargain engine (price-wise) and a few of the folks who have seen it fly are interested in it -- until I show them an ASP/Magnum 52 which costs very little extra and has gobs more power (and comes without the break-in drama).

SK = okay. Is it the best value on the market? No, ASP wins hands-down in that department.



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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/25/2007 1:36:57 PM   
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XJET
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At US$59, the ASP 52 has ...

I don't know where you've seen those, but in the states a Magnum .52 goes for about $90. The SK 50 goes for about $60.

I'd really hate to think of you besmirching a whole brand of engine off of one bad apple. Really, they wouldn't be in business if even 5% of the engines they were kicking out were like that. I'm sure their failure rate is much lower. Every factory uses tolerances on individual parts that sometimes add up to a bad assembly, happens to everybody. Maybe you're engine was an older engine or production run as it was sourced outside of normal channels.

Your 1/2 a world away, so I'll not get up-tight about what gets flown at your local field. But placing general statements on the web for millions to read that a brand isn't reliable or easy to use or isn't for a beginner, just seems a bit unfair.

I do wish you the best of luck with your planes and hope for many smooth landings.

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/25/2007 8:20:59 PM   
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I also built a spa3dt and placed an inexpensive sk-50 engine on it.

I bought fuel from a hobby shop that was going out of business.
Omega @ $9.95 a gallon.
The fuel would not run this engine at first.
An os 3 glo plug heated by two D cell batteries was necessary.
the engine was started for the first time at 115 F ambient in the shade (Mohave Desert).
It ran reasonably well for damaged fuel

The use of non heat and light damaged fuel results in a better running engine.

USE good quality FUEL.
Store your fuel in a coool dark place.

Not in an un-airconditioned storefront window. High heat and lots of light, all summer long.
Until I bought some.
This fuel (Omega) is a good brand, just stored improperly.

I really like the sk-50.
I really like spads.
I really like this hobby.

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/25/2007 8:24:56 PM   
kom


 

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just got two sk 90's from Turk1

tomorrow will be the day for break in them

tomorrow ill have news

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/25/2007 9:44:04 PM   
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Hi Neighbor.Could you solve your problem with customs?Im glad to feel its ok now.Please check your low speed needle when break in whether allow you to richen to the limit.

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/26/2007 4:35:39 AM   
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XJET
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At US$59, the ASP 52 has ...

I don't know where you've seen those, but in the states a Magnum .52 goes for about $90. The SK 50 goes for about $60.

Well you can pick up an ASP/Sanye 52 for US$59 here (that's where I got mine) and the SK50 can be got for $52.50 here (that's where I got mine).

quote:

I'd really hate to think of you besmirching a whole brand of engine off of one bad apple. Really, they wouldn't be in business if even 5% of the engines they were kicking out were like that. I'm sure their failure rate is much lower.

That maybe true -- but I can only test the engines I have in my possession and what were the chances that *I* would get the only bad one they ever made??? And what about all the carby problems that have toasted some folks SK engines?

This does not sound like *good* QC (or any QC at the factory end) does it?

SK is a budget motor and you get (almost) what you pay for -- however, for an extra $7 you can get a *much* better engine in the Sanye/ASP 52. That's simply a fact that can't be denied.

As I said before -- the ASP/Sanye has significantly better power, a much easier break-in and is happy with a far wider range of props. Why would anyone not consider these benefits worth another $7 ??

quote:

Every factory uses tolerances on individual parts that sometimes add up to a bad assembly, happens to everybody. Maybe you're engine was an older engine or production run as it was sourced outside of normal channels.

Yes, all factories make the occasional dud -- but *good* factories have quality control systems that pick them up before they reach the customer. Clearly the SK factory relies on Kange in the USA to do this -- so US customers may fare better than those who buy via a more direct route. But (as previously stated) Kange's QC obviously wasn't good enough to catch the carby problems that some people have had (sticking barrels). And HiModel is very much one of SK's "normal channels" -- I think you'll find they turn over a *lot* of stuff -- probably as much (if not more than) Kange.

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Your 1/2 a world away, so I'll not get up-tight about what gets flown at your local field. But placing general statements on the web for millions to read that a brand isn't reliable or easy to use or isn't for a beginner, just seems a bit unfair.

I never said that the SK was unreliable -- in fact if you go back a few messages you'll see that I said it *was* reliable. All I can do is make objective comments based on my experience with the engine I purchased for review purposes. If I didn't report *exactly* what I found, that would not be a very objective review -- would it?

If (as you suggest) this unit is not representative of the "average" SK engine then I have no way of confirming it other than by buying a dozen more engines -- which I am not in a position to do.

But there is one thing this absolutely proves -- the SK factory quality control is inadequate -- otherwise they would never have shipped an engine that had such a poorly tapped head that it would not take a glow-plug.



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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/26/2007 5:29:44 AM   
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But there is one thing this absolutely proves -- the SK factory quality control is inadequate -- otherwise they would never have shipped an engine that had such a poorly tapped head that it would not take a glow-plug.



Hi ANZAC,I know it s hard to believe for you in western world but I know well about the possibilities in other part the world.I guess the retailer in China(Sold your motor) may have a special deal with factory to collect Q/C refused products for a very cheap cost.(This is only a guess but I know well such mentality which hard to believe for you at other side of those mentality).I mentioned this in my recent post saying" looking at their prices".
Please go on posting,for me your posts are very useful.


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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/26/2007 10:26:08 AM   
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Instead of http://www.himodel.com/engines/SK_50A_ABC_Acro_Engine_W_Muffler.html
I did not know sk made a 40 but I would have spent the $2.00 more for the 50.
The link for the ASP/Sanye 52 is old and sold out, NOT useful at all.

try http://www.atsrcplanes.com/skengines.htm
around the seams

Why post a link to a non available Engine.
P.S. I can post a link to a trainer for $39.00 that you can't buy either.
Tower hobbies has a Magnum .52 that sells for about $90.

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/26/2007 3:32:27 PM   
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Well, I wasn't intending to set off a pissing match. Sorry if it did.

You obviously had a well thought out process to evaluate the one engine, and as much as I hate troublesome engines, I can really "feel your pain" about dealing with one. The SK has been easy to run for me so I guess I'm basing my opinion on one engine as well. It is a niche motor but I think I got it matched to the right airframe to work well.

Good luck with yours and Happy flights.

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/26/2007 3:35:05 PM   
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The link for the ASP/Sanye 52 is old and sold out, NOT useful at all.





Maybe, just maybe they will not be out of stock for ever you know

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RE: SK ENGINES - 9/27/2007 2:02:16 AM   
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