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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 12/31/2007 8:09:13 PM

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hey thanks for that site..sounds like a good idea..i have talked to people that have been flying for years and say they still crash every now and then..so insurance is def a good idea..thanks for the help

Remember that the insurance is not for your plane, it is so YOU don't get sued by someone and have to pay for it.

To make that insurance effective, you must ONLY fly at AMA sanctioned airfields, which means you must be a member of a club and fly at their field.

Many clubs have great facilities.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/1/2008 9:37:33 PM

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ohhh..ok..makes sense

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/1/2008 9:44:00 PM

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Belonging to a club is the best way to keep this hobby/sport going.

All two often municipalities and cities are enacting ordinances against RC craft because of the idiot who decides to fly his electric or glow plane on his own.

People become concerned or scared of what they perceive to be a danger, and the next thing you know such activity is banned over a wide area.
Already there are too many such regulations and restrictions.

All it takes is one overzealous newbie to kill someone with his jet or plane and RC will see a serious assault by the rest of the country.

The clubs promote safety and community conciousness and shed a very positive light on the sport/hobby when properly run.

Check em out. It's worth doing.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 3:31:02 AM

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I've started a build thread on my bobcat. Need to take some more pics of the progress.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=790307

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 3:42:07 AM

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Nice thread, although I'm a bit surprised to see that you are going to lock out the rudder.

I find that I need it for landings to keep the plane on the runway as it runs out.

The nose gear doesn't get enough authority until the plane has significantly slowed down.

A sure sign of a draggy airframe is that the plane slows down quickly once you chop throttle.

I've had problems landing mine as it seems to keep moving forever once I chop the throttle on landing.

I wouldn't quite call it draggy, especially with the performance I've been getting with a GMS .76 engine.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 6:29:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: opjose

quote:

ORIGINAL: allstardude17

hey thanks for that site..sounds like a good idea..i have talked to people that have been flying for years and say they still crash every now and then..so insurance is def a good idea..thanks for the help

Remember that the insurance is not for your plane, it is so YOU don't get sued by someone and have to pay for it.

To make that insurance effective, you must ONLY fly at AMA sanctioned airfields, which means you must be a member of a club and fly at their field.

Many clubs have great facilities.

Are you saying that the AMA insurance is only good if you fly at a sanctioned Field? That is not my understanding. I will check into it but AFAIK it covers you whenever you fly. I'm not saying it is not a good idea to join an AMA sanctioned club, it is. I belong to one myself, but I flew at Mile Square Park in Orange County for years and it was a public park where anyone could fly. I am certain our insurance was good there because I knew a few guys who needed and used it.

Blessings, Terry

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 7:05:22 PM

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Are you saying that the AMA insurance is only good if you fly at a sanctioned Field? That is not my understanding. I will check into it but AFAIK it covers you whenever you fly. I'm not saying it is not a good idea to join an AMA sanctioned club, it is. I belong to one myself, but I flew at Mile Square Park in Orange County for years and it was a public park where anyone could fly. I am certain our insurance was good there because I knew a few guys who needed and used it.

Blessings, Terry

Yup check the verbiage.

You must be flying on a club field and in turn the club must belong to the AMA.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 7:54:21 PM

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Yeah its been a tough decision for me. I plan to wire up the tail booms for this reason. If I find I can't handle the plane well without rudder I will be popping the servos in for it. I have a nice wide runway to land on so we'll see! Whats the final concensus on a good CG? Also any suggestions on setting up the rake on the landing gear (ie nose down, neutral, or nose up?).

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Nice thread, although I'm a bit surprised to see that you are going to lock out the rudder.

I find that I need it for landings to keep the plane on the runway as it runs out.

The nose gear doesn't get enough authority until the plane has significantly slowed down.

A sure sign of a draggy airframe is that the plane slows down quickly once you chop throttle.

I've had problems landing mine as it seems to keep moving forever once I chop the throttle on landing.

I wouldn't quite call it draggy, especially with the performance I've been getting with a GMS .76 engine.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/6/2008 8:39:48 PM

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....10.3" on the cg, nose up attitude....1/8" "up trim" in the elevator.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 4:09:36 AM

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Did any of you guys use an incidence meter to set the tail boom? Seems like there is so much room for error?!

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 4:25:34 AM

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The booms screw onto the wings with no wiggle room. The horizontal stab fits into recesses
in the booms, and there is no wiggle room there either. But the way they fly shows that it is
set up quite nicely.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 12:58:03 PM

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Yes there is a lot of room for manufacturing error and the people manufacturing are not modelers. Shimming the front tail section mount up 1/64" on the wing changes the stab angle over 6 degrees. A wide range of stab angles might not effect the way it flies. But it seems logical based on other airplanes that the speed would be affected. On conventional airplanes as the aileron sweet spot is found the speed goes up significantly maybe 8 to 10%.

Bill

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 2:30:05 PM

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Are you saying that the AMA insurance is only good if you fly at a sanctioned Field? That is not my understanding. I will check into it but AFAIK it covers you whenever you fly. I'm not saying it is not a good idea to join an AMA sanctioned club, it is. I belong to one myself, but I flew at Mile Square Park in Orange County for years and it was a public park where anyone could fly. I am certain our insurance was good there because I knew a few guys who needed and used it.

Blessings, Terry

Yup check the verbiage.

You must be flying on a club field and in turn the club must belong to the AMA.

DO you have a link for that? I looked through everything I can find and I see no verbiage that limits the insurance coverage to AMA sanctioned fields. I would really like to see where you got that.

Thanks, Terry

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 5:06:58 PM

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DO you have a link for that? I looked through everything I can find and I see no verbiage that limits the insurance coverage to AMA sanctioned fields. I would really like to see where you got that.

Thanks, Terry

Found it.

I misquoted ( senior moment... ).

The statement applies to people involved with the "introductory" pilot program that states that coverage is NOT provided on non AMA sanctioned sites.

That is the statement I remembered, but I forgot that it only applied to introductory members.

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RE: Its Bobcat nice - 1/7/2008 6:03:14 PM

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Are you guys gluing the wings to the fuse or just bolting them in? Same for the booms?

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