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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/20/2006 10:36:23 PM

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According to my berkly fish scale,the 46 ei w/synchro spark and rear dump muffler weighs 3lbs 12oz. I put the 46 on a hangar nine extra 260,ready to fly weighs 14 lbs. Went to the field to maiden it today,due to poor range check i didnt get to fly it, but i've narrowed the radio problem to reciever. On the engine side of todays outting, the 46 was running after about 6 flips,never skipped a beat, running a 22x8 pro zinger at 7000 rpm according to the tach.,this being my first gasser,i found it to be very user friendly,and evidently Scott or Mark runs em in and sets the needles cause there was need to adjust anything,bolt it on- add fuel-go fly it!, with the exception of radio problems that is.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/20/2006 10:39:23 PM

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According to my berkly fish scale,the 46 ei w/synchro spark and rear dump muffler weighs 3lbs 12oz. I put the 46 on a hangar nine extra 260,ready to fly weighs 14 lbs. Went to the field to maiden it today,due to poor range check i didnt get to fly it, but i've narrowed the radio problem to reciever. On the engine side of todays outting, the 46 was running after about 6 flips,never skipped a beat, running a 22x8 pro zinger at 7000 rpm according to the tach.,this being my first gasser,i found it to be very user friendly,and evidently Scott or Mark runs em in and sets the needles cause there was need to adjust anything,bolt it on- add fuel-go fly it!, with the exception of radio problems that is. I guess there was no need to post this twice,oops.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/21/2006 5:18:34 AM

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I took off my Brillelli 46cc today and with the stock side exit muff it weighed 3lbs.10oz
I relocated the ign battery 27" back from the cowling mount to near the back. the 4.8oz 6v battery is mounted at the tail just before the rear servo's and it balanced at 6" behind the L/E of the wing. Stock settings are 5 3/4 to 6 3/4
Gonna maiden it like this. I run a Zinger 20x8 at around 7300 rpm. hope this works. i can always move the ign battery father back if need be. jjeeeshhh..

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/21/2006 12:28:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: LookNatU2

I took off my Brillelli 46cc today and with the stock side exit muff it weighed 3lbs.10oz
I relocated the ign battery 27" back from the cowling mount to near the back. the 4.8oz 6v battery is mounted at the tail just before the rear servo's and it balanced at 6" behind the L/E of the wing. Stock settings are 5 3/4 to 6 3/4
Gonna maiden it like this. I run a Zinger 20x8 at around 7300 rpm. hope this works. i can always move the ign battery father back if need be. jjeeeshhh..

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You are going to be really lucky if moving the ignition battery back doesn't cause ignition interference to the radio. Keeping the ignition battery as far away from the receiver and its associated wiring is the norm, not the exception. Please do a really thorough engine running range check before flying. Good luck.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/21/2006 3:42:01 PM

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I don't really see how an ign. battery can cause issues? I know several people including me who have the ign. batt back beside the main battery in the back half of the fuse. Never have had a problem at all.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/21/2006 6:45:22 PM

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Didnt get to fly the Goldburg 330 this w/e so i'll try next w/e. I was told its not the ign battery that you have to look out for. It's making sure the ign box itself isnt to close to the receiver that matters. Well anyways the ign battery is still behind the receiver appox 6-8" and the receiver battery another 6-8" behind the ign battery. I supposely bought this plane RTF but it's been one issue after another to get this bird right. Even found a cracked engine mount with jb weld on it.. Not a good idea I think with an almost 4lbs engine hanging on it. Well I didn't think so I replaced it.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/22/2006 1:47:52 AM

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ya personally I wouldnt worry about the battery... range check will tell you whats going on.

I have my packs stacked on top of eachother about 5" behind the receiver and have no issues what so ever.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/24/2006 10:15:50 PM

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Have you been able to fly yet?

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 4:12:27 AM

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I don't really see how an ign. battery can cause issues? I know several people including me who have the ign. batt back beside the main battery in the back half of the fuse. Never have had a problem at all.

The ignition module allows a slight amount of RFI and EFI to travel past the unit and into the battery. When you have the battery placed as you do, all the way aft and with a long lead travelling past all of your radio gear, you can see it doesn't require very much current or signal noise to drown out the radio signals coming into your antenna. Trust me, been there/done that. Many people have fought this fight before, and we are only trying to save you a bit of grief.

This layout MAY work well if you put a filter on the power line to the ignition, as close to the ignition as possible. Also, use a PCM receiver with a gas engine. Especially if you are flying near me, my family, my house, or anything else of value to anybody else.

The best thing is to keep the entire radio system and the entire ignition system far removed from one another. 8" - 12" is a good start.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 10:52:43 AM

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No, havent been to fly yet. Hoping for this Sunday. My cloest battery which is the Ign Batt "is" around 10"inches behind the receiver. I can move it further if need be. Yes, I use a PCM receiver.
What kind of fliter and where can i get them to place a filter on the power line to the ignition?
thanks for the imput.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 2:23:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: sinergy

I don't really see how an ign. battery can cause issues? I know several people including me who have the ign. batt back beside the main battery in the back half of the fuse. Never have had a problem at all.

The ignition module allows a slight amount of RFI and EFI to travel past the unit and into the battery. When you have the battery placed as you do, all the way aft and with a long lead travelling past all of your radio gear, you can see it doesn't require very much current or signal noise to drown out the radio signals coming into your antenna. Trust me, been there/done that. Many people have fought this fight before, and we are only trying to save you a bit of grief.

This layout MAY work well if you put a filter on the power line to the ignition, as close to the ignition as possible. Also, use a PCM receiver with a gas engine. Especially if you are flying near me, my family, my house, or anything else of value to anybody else.

The best thing is to keep the entire radio system and the entire ignition system far removed from one another. 8" - 12" is a good start.

Well I have over 4 gallons through my setup that has the batteries stacked on top of each and have never had one glitch. My range check is perfect and I do one at the beginning of every day I get to the field. I know several other ppl who run this configuration.. one with over 400 flights on his plane.. never a problem.

Hate to disagree but I think you will find that RF is more a field which is why you have to keep receiver 12" away from an ign. Its not going to travel 24" down an ignition battery powerline.

As far as filters... that's bad advice period. You shouldn't put a filter on to mask a problem. PCM? Again.. misleading advice.. you should be able to fly your gas engine with an FM radio and have no glitches. PCM is there to help prevent other weak signals from interfering with your own and so if you get a hit you only lose your control for a second or two. During that second or two you can program yolur failsafe to kill your engine if you want. PCM should not be used like a filter or to solve a RF problem. You should use PCM in your gas planes but only after you have a proven range check with an FM receiver.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 2:32:07 PM

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Just a side note here... One thing I have noticed about thsi hobby is that there is a new company trying to make a buck in it every day.

It is up to you to do proper research and weed through the products that are not needed. A RF filter is much like an equalizer... an equalizer was made for people who are too lazy to spend the time to setup their linkages properly so their el. etc travels match. What happens if that part fails... comes loose and breaks? All you are doing is adding another failure point because you are too lazy to solve the problem properly.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 3:04:10 PM

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an equalizer was made for people who are too lazy to spend the time to setup their linkages properly so their el. etc travels match. What happens if that part fails... comes loose and breaks? All you are doing is adding another failure point because you are too lazy to solve the problem properly.

Talk about bad advice...

Without good geometry to start with it's a challenge to match throws with any piece of equipment. While you are partially correct in that there are products on the market for this hobby that may not be necessary, you are dead wrong to imply a person's laziness drives them to use what does work. What if one has a radio that does not support daul servos? Maybe I'm not completely understanding you here but I believe you are being a bit presumptuous with that statement.

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RE: Brillelli 46cc - 8/25/2006 3:05:03 PM

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its nice that everyone is concerned about everyone else's well being. but it does not take yelling at everyone to get a point across. I have been flying for over ten years, and yes i have crashed a lot of planes. Only one of those planes were lost do to radio failer. Ihad a 7 channel