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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 5:43:02 PM   
    Team_Monkey



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    Hello gents, Long time lurker here. I've been keeping pace on the reading while I build my clone.

    It's true guys, the major posters aren't kidding. Lot's of good info in 118+ pages.

    So the "PlastiCat" is about finished. I need to hookup the rudder pushrods and shrink up a canopy yet.
    Here is the build thread
    http://spadworld.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14650

    Sorry I'm at work and can't get to putfile, but I can add short cuts to some pics:
    http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7616052
    http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7616053
    http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7616054

    She came out kinda pretty I think.
    I'll just lurk again until the maiden.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 6:53:23 PM   
    AGR413



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    Good to see you here TM, welcome to the fray. I keep a look out for new posts to your thread a spadworld. I think Spad jets is a frontier we need to expand in the spad side of the hobby, looks like your setting the bar pretty high.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 8:13:17 PM   
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    Hey TM,
    Good job! keep lurking and keep them Spads a comming.

    Hapyjac

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 8:26:44 PM   
    flt lt hurdy


     

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    ORIGINAL: opjose

    I'll second what StickJammer says on the engines.

    An AX .55 will be a much better choice.

    Many people are flying the plane with engines up to .76 2C in size.





    HA...why not go in-between and stick a OS61FX in it...

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 8:30:59 PM   
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    HA...why not go in-between and stick a OS61FX in it...


    Why not go .75 then?

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 8:33:35 PM   
    flt lt hurdy


     

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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: opjose


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: flt lt hurdy

    HA...why not go in-between and stick a OS61FX in it...


    Why not go .75 then?


    ...or Wren 44 Gold...

    lol

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 2/29/2008 8:58:05 PM   
    opjose



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    ...or Wren 44 Gold...

    lol


    Well that's the only way to do it properly!

    A bit much for my pocketbook though.



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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/1/2008 2:27:29 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: flt lt hurdy

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: opjose

    I'll second what StickJammer says on the engines.

    An AX .55 will be a much better choice.

    Many people are flying the plane with engines up to .76 2C in size.





    HA...why not go in-between and stick a OS61FX in it...



    The OS .61FX is 5 ounces heavier than the .55AX with just a small gain in power. Five more ounces of engine = more lead up front.
    An OS .75AX is 8 ounces heavier than the .55AX and most likely would be unable to efficiently prop.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/1/2008 9:48:14 AM   
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    quote:

    The OS .61FX is 5 ounces heavier than the .55AX with just a small gain in power.


    IMHO, the gain with big props should be marginal... However, I think you could rev it way higher with small props as it surely has a higher fuel throughput. Anyone ?

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/1/2008 8:09:51 PM   
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    I have heard the FX motors are better "speed" motors, where as the AX are more torque.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/2/2008 1:44:29 AM   
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    I have heard the FX motors are better "speed" motors, where as the AX are more torque.



    I'm not sure that's an accurate description. Any two cycle glow engine gets its power from RPMs. Basically the only difference between the FX and the AX is the new Bi-Metallic Liner which is supposed to increase compression and last longer. At any rate, they are both very good engines.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/3/2008 2:32:47 AM   
    Wingspam


     

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    Hey guys I need some help with my Bobcat.
    I am having rough time getting smooth takeoffs with this plane. I have 4 flights on this plane and 3 of the 4 take offs where near death, for the plane.

    I am rolling down the field for take off and around half throttle or so the plane will JUMP into the air. I mean really jump into the air, with almost no air speed. So far I have been lucky to maintain level fight until the air speed builds up. Once in the air it fly's great almost hands off...

    Can anyone offer any suggestion as to why this is happening. I am assuming it is due to the Cg. It is set per the instructions

    It is powered by an Os 46x, stock muffler w/ 11x6 P

    Thanks

    < Message edited by Wingspam -- 3/3/2008 3:29:21 AM >



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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 3/3/2008 3:42:31 AM   
    AGR413



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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Stick Jammer


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AGR413

    I have heard the FX motors are better "speed" motors, where as the AX are more torque.



    I'm not sure that's an accurate description. Any two cycle glow engine gets its power from RPMs. Basically the only difference between the FX and the AX is the new Bi-Metallic Liner which is supposed to increase compression and last longer. At any rate, they are both very good engines.


    Well to be completely accurate two cycle glow engines get their power from the the ignition of a mixture of fuel and air. This is a function of how much air and fuel it can efficiently intake and exhaust once it is burned, and how well it translates this energy into mechanical energy. In the case of two stroke engines, different bearings intake and exhaust porting schemes, different stroke length, head polishing or shimming can also affect performance and also affect what the engine does more efficiently produce high RPM with a smaller prop or swing a very large prop at a lower RPM.

    You could set up two otherwise identical engines differently one to swing a smaller high pitched prop at a higher RPM, to produce greater pitch speed. The other to swing a large, low pitch prop for static thrust at a lower RPM.

    While this may not apply to the two engines mentioned (I was only reporting what I had heard) the concept is sound.

    < Message edited by AGR413 -- 3/3/2008 11:17:15 PM >


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