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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 1:41:04 AM   
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    The guy I am building the Bobcat for wanted the rudder servos on the inside of the boom, so I thought I ould post a pic in case anyone wanted to do it like this.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 7:24:04 AM   
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    LOL! I bought mine second hand & didn't even realise mine had been modified!

    I have started fitting a belly mounted airbrake on mine to make it easier to land at our short strip. - John.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 1:52:35 PM   
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    Boomerang1...Have you flown it with the turbine yet? I can't remember seeing a maiden post a few pages back.

    Tumbler...Looks good, I wish I would have done that for asthetics.


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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 3:02:43 PM   
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    As far as asthetics, yours lookdarn good already the way you changed her up!


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    Boomerang1...Have you flown it with the turbine yet? I can't remember seeing a maiden post a few pages back.

    Tumbler...Looks good, I wish I would have done that for asthetics.


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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 5:06:03 PM   
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    Well I check the wings, and I do not have any holes for wingbolts. The latest design must be for glued wings only. Not to say that can't be modified, but they don't include the holes or blindnuts.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/14/2008 7:44:13 PM   
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    No, mine either. I checked my kit yesterday. Plane is still in the box. I was hoping that the wings were made for wing bolts, Oh well!
    I believe I'm going to just epoxy my wings to the fuse and be done with it. I'm not going to make this thing more trouble than I have too. Even thinking more about installing the fixed landing gear instead of going with retracts. Keeping it cheap. Heck! the plane was only $99.00 bucks. If I go with retracts they cost more then the plane, In fact everything else cost more then the plane.
    I might just stay on the cheap side on this build.



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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/15/2008 3:34:33 AM   
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    Yes it's flown, 2 weekends so far & 5 flights. It's very fast at full noise even with the earlier 8 pound Wren 44. Most of the flight is at about 1/2 throttle on the stick with plenty up it's sleeve.

    I cannot say it has unlimited vertical performance because I only let it fly straight up as far as I can comfortably see it, but it's still climbing fast at that point. Climb after take off is at about 45 deg & accelerating.

    The bit I'm concerned about is landing on short fields. You have to make a very shallow approach with the nose up & the engine at idle (55,000 RPM!). The earlier Wren 44's have a slow spool up time so if you have to go around the engine takes a while to develop usefull thrust. - John.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/15/2008 12:43:13 PM   
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    Boomerang1...Thanks for the info. Here's my second flight report.

    Flight Report
    Weather conditions were good about 85F degrees, winds about 7 to 8 kind of cross the runway, but at an angle.

    All repairs completed from maiden flight. Engine (OS 55 AX) was richened a few clicks, it was dying about 70 yards (210 feet) down the runway. After that lined up again for lift off. My Bobcat ran about about 85 yards (255 feet) before launching into the air, almost vertical as on my maiden. I don't like that. As I mentioned in my initial flight report, I believe my Bobcat is nose heavy making it difficult for the nose to lift without giving an extreme amount of up elevator to get it off the ground. I was ready for the leap so it wasn't as vertical as the initial flight.

    After leaving the ground and levelling out, hit the switch and brought the retracts up. Boy does this thing look cool with the retracts up. Was cruising around just to continue to get the feel for this puppy. Did I mention this thing is fast. Well this thing is fast. I don't know why anyone would want to go faster with a Tower .75, well I kind of know why, but don't understand why.

    I performed a few aerobatic manuevers. Roll rates are insane on high rates, so insane I'm not sure was I finish rolling whether or not I right side up or up side down. That's scary. Roll rates are extremely fast or low rates. Basically I come down the runway WOT and then snatch up elevator, half way up I would give right aileron and do somewhere between 10 to 15 rolls before hitting the top of the loop. Depending on right side up or down, I would spin once more on the down part of loop and level out.

    Now for the imfamous landing. I believe someone has this as their signature, "Take offs are optional, but Landings are Manadatory." Since it was the second flight I didn't want to over do it. Flick the retract switch and did a low pass to verify that they did indeed come down. Began my approach/line up passes, and finally saw one I liked and began my landing. Our runways are about 10 yards (30 feet) wide, I was lined up about 10 to 12 feet from the closes side of the runway to me. As I got closer to runway, I would say about 4 feet off the deck a nasty cross wind came up, I was thinking not now, my AOA for landing was near perfect. This moved the the plane to about 4 feet from the high grass. The plane continued to weatervane into the wind just as the rear wheels touch the ground after about 2 feet the nose wheel touched down. At this point I was not even 1 foot from the high grass, the right main caught the high grass right in front of mee and then the nose wheel caught the high grass. Once that happened the Bobcat stop and flipped over, motor still running. I hit the kill switch to shut it off. Now for the damage:

    Damage Report
    1. The came apart toward the leading edge, I think this was due to the hot glue not really securing the front screw brackets, nothing epoxy can't fix.

    2. Bent right main and nose wheel struts shaft, nothing a hammer can't straighten.

    Flight lasted about 6 mins, I emptied the tank on the flight station. The amount I removed would have lasted about 1 more minute. All in all I consider both successful flights, with eventful landings. I will have the wing bracket epoxied back in and retract shaft straightened by this evening 8/15. I think I'm going to put 3/16" music wire in my retracts instead of the struts, since the wire may be a little more forgiving on the landings until I get a better feel.

    Hope I didn't bore you. Just wanted to be thorough for any trying the Bobcat for the first time. I must say OPJOSE warned me that the Bobcat is quite different than any other plane in my fleet. Now I know exactly what he means.


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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/16/2008 2:22:28 AM   
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    Sorry to hear you bingled your Bobcat, I bough mine damaged after a similar landing accident.

    I have almost finished fitting an airbrake to the belly of mine & hopefully will try it out tomorrow. It just needs a tidy up & it's ready to go. - John.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/16/2008 3:40:59 AM   
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    Boomerang1...Thanks for the kind words. It's repaired. I should have taken the advice in this forum to put epoxy on everything I could see before assembly. That hot glue they use ain't worth two cents.


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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/17/2008 12:13:31 AM   
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    I have 16 flights with an old OS .45 running in reverse. Although it flies OK after getting up to speed a .45 is not enough engine for the Bob Cat. The airplane is 8 pounds with fixed gear and would be much more fun to fly with a .60 or .61 engine. Landings are easy and can be high alpha. Roll out on grass is reasonably short. LHS’s doesn’t stock pusher props so I am looking for a .60 or .61 that can be run backwards. Stall at altitude appears to be straight and gentle.

    Reminds me of the early 1950 era jets that need the height between the flight deck and the sea to get up to speed.

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/17/2008 1:02:15 AM   
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    Hey Guys
    Well I didn't like the idea of using a red canopy on my Orange Bobcat so I purchased a small 3oz. can of TAMIYA TS-12 Orange spray paint. It's made for plastics, and worked like a dream. It's a very close match to the Bobcat. I only had to paint the canopy frame orange, not the windsheld. I left that tinted. Now with the frame is painted orange the windsheld looks to be tinted orange. I was going to paint the windsheld black, but now there is no need.

    I sprayed the outside surface of the canopy Orange, let dry for one hour, then sprayed a layer of clear. Looks nice now.
    Here is a link to the type of paint used.

    http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRS55&P=SM

    Regards, Jim

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    RE: Nitro models pusher Bobcat? - 8/17/2008 1:56:48 AM