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Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 3:40:24 PM

facetiousxm

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Hi, I am stationed way up near the Artic cricle and they don't have a wide selection of fuel Baically all they have here is Cool power 15% heli fuel with 18% oil is that okay to run in my 3.3 Or is it to much oil?? I maybe able to get my hands on some Odonnel 25% but it's not easy and expensive like 60 dollars a gallon. What should I do??

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 4:50:01 PM

JayC1968

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Heli fuel is not made for cars/trucks. I would spend the money on the O'Donnels.
You could even order a case of 4 gallons and have it shipped to you for what it would cost for 2 gallons of the O'Donnels

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 5:39:23 PM

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Heli fuel is not made for cars/trucks. I would spend the money on the O'Donnels.

I agree 100%. don't use any sort of fuel in a car/truck nitro engine that is not made specifically for RC cars and trucks. The fuel blend for RC aviation (helis and planes) is called glow fuel and is very different from car/truck nitro. Glow fuel will cause serious damage to nitro engines if you use it (I'm not sure whats in glow fuel, but I think the compression ratios for glow fuel is higher and putting it in a nitro engine would cause the nitro engine to overheat as well as put excessive stresses on the head).

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 5:49:38 PM

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Heli fuel is not made for cars/trucks. I would spend the money on the O'Donnels.

I agree 100%. don't use any sort of fuel in a car/truck nitro engine that is not made specifically for RC cars and trucks. The fuel blend for RC aviation (helis and planes) is called glow fuel and is very different from car/truck nitro. Glow fuel will cause serious damage to nitro engines if you use it (I'm not sure whats in glow fuel, but I think the compression ratios for glow fuel is higher and putting it in a nitro engine would cause the nitro engine to overhead as well as put excessive stresses on the head).

Compression is a huge issue... Not to mention that Cool Power is formulated for RINGED ENGINES. That in itself tells you that it's meant for higher compression engines.

All the products Morgan Fuels makes is for aviation except for Sidewinder

Here's a link to Morgan Fuels

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 6:27:00 PM

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I guess I am going to have to figure out some way for them to ship it to me!!!

DOOOH!!!! Any suggestions. I think I need to talk to FUELMAN hahaha

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 10:00:35 PM

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I think I need to talk to FUELMAN

Yeah... that would be a good idea.

Just so ya know... ALL R/C fuel be it car, Boat, heli or airplane is made up of methanol, oil and nitro... unless it's FAI(O% nitro) fuel then it's just methanol and oil. The only difference between them is the blend of oil used be it synthetic or castor or a combination of the two and additive's such as de-foamers, stabilizers, rust preventives and so on. Using airplane fuel won't hurt your engine... as long as it has some castor in it... it won't turn up the same R's it would on the lesser oil car fuel's but it will run fine. At 60 buck's a gallon I wouldn't touch Odonnel's fuel... as a matter of personal choice I would't run that stuff in any of MY engines if it were FREE. I also would not run cool power... it's one of the synthetic oil ONLY fuels and I think any ground based engine NEED's some castor in the mix... I won't even run synthetic only in my planes or heli's. If it were me I and I could only get one the the two fuels you listed I'd use Cool power with 3 Oz of castor added to each gallon... Oil content would be right at 20% Nitro about 14.5% the balance Methanol... Not a race blend but it will work fine for bashing around with out killing your engine.

John

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 10:03:24 PM

facetiousxm

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Thanks, Sounds like I just may do that!!!

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 10:59:59 PM

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Hey Guys, I have been mixing my own fuel since the early 1940s. I have raced control line speed (Hornets, McCoys, Doolings) raced R/C Formular One, Quickies, Giant Scale R/C etc. etc. Nothing Magic about basic Modeling Fuel, whether airplanes, cars, boats, helicopters. Just good old Methanol Alcohol and Oil. You can add all kinds of STUFF to fit what you are doing. Nitromethane is a very popular ingrediant for basic power. The Car guys are using (on an average) 40% nitro in their fuels. Heli guys, 15 to 30% nitro. Airplane guys, 10 to 15% nitro. You can get into a POWERFUL discussion about Castor Oil and Synthetic oil. I would suggest you used this Web Format and get some great information about fuel combinations. Just remember in Europe they mostly use FAI blend of 80% Methanol Alcohol and 20% Castor Oil.

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/8/2006 11:48:17 PM

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Nothing Magic about basic Modeling Fuel, whether airplanes, cars, boats, helicopters. Just good old Methanol Alcohol and Oil. You can add all kinds of STUFF to fit what you are doing. Nitromethane is a very popular ingrediant for basic power.

Nope nothing magical about it at all... I still can't figure out how the heck I've managed to keep an engine running for close to 20 year's with out all the new improved stuff on the market

seems like the wheel had been invented all over

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Just remember in Europe they mostly use FAI blend of 80% Methanol Alcohol and 20% Castor Oil.

True but they also have engines set up for low or no nitro... compress the engine right and use the right plug it's easy to run FAI... problem is most US market based engines are set up to run on nitro and need it to run right.

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You can get into a POWERFUL discussion about Castor Oil and Synthetic oil

Some of the more heated discussions I've seen have been on this very subject... I'll leave it at that

John

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 3:10:26 AM

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The July 2006 issue of RCCA had a fuel section. They said that if the fuel is GLOW FUEL, it can be used in just about any GLOW ENGINE. Makes sense doesn't it? I don't know if the article is online, you might want to check out some fuel websites.

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 3:42:34 AM

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You will be able to use the fuel. It will run but it will not have the power that other rc car and truck fuels have. The only difference is there is no nitro. It will run but it will not have the punch that other fuel will have. The argument between castor and synthetic oil can be a highly debatable issue. Weather you need to have castor oil with the synthetic is up to you to decide.

But charles winter. The average person does not use 40% nitro. I dont know if you pushed the wrong button or if you trully think that most use 40% nitro. But the simple fast most use 10-20% and some may use a higher % like 25-30%. But the simple fact is that you can run with this fuel.

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 3:43:42 AM

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The July 2006 issue of RCCA had a fuel section. They said that if the fuel is GLOW FUEL, it can be used in just about any GLOW ENGINE. Makes sense doesn't it? I don't know if the article is online, you might want to check out some fuel websites.

Ok... I'll make this simple....
Any GOOD manufacturer of fuel will tell you NOT to run AVIATION FUEL in Cars/Trucks. Now why do you suppose that it is?
Could it be because thet are formulated different? have you taken the time to look at the link I gave the dude to Morgan Fuels that makes Cool Power.... Morgan Fuels makes Sidwinder Fuel too. Sidewinder is for rc CARS/TRUCKS......

Please do not help this guy ruin his engine....BESIDES... for the second time COOL POWER is formulated for RINGED ENGINES
READ Morgan Fuel's Site dude.... I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if ya take the time to check you'll see....

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 2:11:34 PM

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Listen to what JSN wrote. Add the castor to the Coolpower and RUN it. If tuned correctly you will get gallons of enjoyment.

I have been running Morgans Omega which is considered an "Airplane" fuel for YEARS in my cars and love it.

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 4:02:10 PM

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The July 2006 issue of RCCA had a fuel section. They said that if the fuel is GLOW FUEL, it can be used in just about any GLOW ENGINE. Makes sense doesn't it? I don't know if the article is online, you might want to check out some fuel websites.

Ok... I'll make this simple....
Any GOOD manufacturer of fuel will tell you NOT to run AVIATION FUEL in Cars/Trucks. Now why do you suppose that it is?
Could it be because thet are formulated different? have you taken the time to look at the link I gave the dude to Morgan Fuels that makes Cool Power.... Morgan Fuels makes Sidwinder Fuel too. Sidewinder is for rc CARS/TRUCKS......

Please do not help this guy ruin his engine....BESIDES... for the second time COOL POWER is formulated for RINGED ENGINES
READ Morgan Fuel's Site dude.... I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if ya take the time to check you'll see....

Do you consider Byron Fuels a good fuel manufacturer, it was their rep. who said that in most cases it doesn't matter. Go online and check it out. I'm not trying to help this guy ruin his engine, but that's what the expert said.

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RE: Fuel Question and concerns.. - 8/9/2006 6:12:45 PM

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Speed..... RC Car Action had a similar write up on fuel. It basicly said the same thing.

Why is it that EVERY post about fuel turns in to a heated bash session?
There is so much bad info given out on some of these forums its not even funny.

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