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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:29:06 AM   
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I do have an R/C model with the original engine that has been flying for over 30 years. That is longer than you have been around. Show me an electric R/C plane that has been around that long and is still flyable. In fact show me an ARF that old period.
Wow! do you ever read MA??? DB Matthews wrote on that for a while. The Dennyplane was an ARF.

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I don't think that your so called, "Modern, E-Power" is worth all the effort. If they get the expense down, and the reliability up, the table may turn. I have seen too many problems with the Battery packs......
The reliability is up to the same level(or higher) as gas. The price is coming down and is now viable for all types of models. There have been problems with batteries, but IMO, that's mainly with the user and not the batteries themselves.


Have you got a Dennyplane? Do you know anyone who does? Blame the user, not the technology, or the lack thereof.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:29:51 AM   
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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:33:23 AM   
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I've flown electric and like the ease (no mess) and light flight box...but I miss the smell of Castor Oil and the sound of a WOT fly-by. Really there are a lot of models that would look better (no muffler hanging out) with a motor as opposed to an IC engine.


My WACO does not have a muffler hanging out. The exhaust pipes extent 3/8 inch outside the cowl, and is very scale like in appearance. Unlike the B-29 in the clip, the flight envelope is scale-like in both speed and execution. The sound is missing from the EP models as well. Unless the full scale went, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Splat!!!

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:34:24 AM   
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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:36:56 AM   
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How long til we can get $7 ESC or $7 2sLipo at Tower?

Afford???
I cant afford the little E-flyers

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:38:24 AM   
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AAAAAAhh the memories you bring back STICK. Remember the "Magician and Thee Voo Doo. That;s as close as I come to electric. That is, unless you count the servo motors in my Gasser's"


Yeah, I do remember them. I used to fly VooDoo's with Hi Johnson's .35's on pressure. Missle mist for fuel, and scrape what was left of the glow plug off the piston crown every now and them. I guess I do fly electric, since I do have electro-mechanical devices (servo's) and on board start and on board glow. (hanging head in shame)

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:40:36 AM   
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Month or two ago I bought from the manufacturer 4 engines for less than $28... standard price they have been all year $6.99 . Now I have a hard time believing the Brushless, OR the ESC, OR the Lipo could come in under $7 for any single part like I got the $7 SureStart 049.... with spring starter. I havent really looked, but I'm just gonna assume the Lipo Charger aint $7 either.

How long til we can get $7 ESC or $7 2sLipo at Tower?

Afford???
I cant afford the little E-flyers


Not to mention how cooling and soothing the fuel is on the back of your hands on these hot days.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:43:40 AM   
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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:48:42 AM   
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I do have an R/C model with the original engine that has been flying for over 30 years. That is longer than you have been around. Show me an electric R/C plane that has been around that long and is still flyable. In fact show me an ARF that old period.
Wow! do you ever read MA??? DB Matthews wrote on that for a while. The Dennyplane was an ARF.

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I don't think that your so called, "Modern, E-Power" is worth all the effort. If they get the expense down, and the reliability up, the table may turn. I have seen too many problems with the Battery packs......
The reliability is up to the same level(or higher) as gas. The price is coming down and is now viable for all types of models. There have been problems with batteries, but IMO, that's mainly with the user and not the batteries themselves.


Have you got a Dennyplane? Do you know anyone who does? Blame the user, not the technology, or the lack thereof.

Bill, AMA 4720

No I don't have a Dennyplane. However, DB had plenty of pics of them.

Goodnight,
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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:57:31 AM   
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Howzat again? I do believe that the Big Guff had an Internal Combustion engine, and the brother's Good did it.


Tesla built the first Radio Controlled model boat around the end of the 19th century. As good as Walt and Bill were, they were over three decades later.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 4:11:09 AM   
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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:16:59 PM   
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Pretty nifty little handle there, Scooter. Maybe the gas days are gone for you, but not for those of us who can still afford the gassers. Sorry about your luck. Maybe next time. Then you can have fun with the big boys.

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Actually, not. I am as informed as the next guy. I don't think that your so called, "Modern, E-Power" is worth all the effort. If they get the expense down, and the reliability up, the table may turn. I have seen too many problems with the Battery packs, and the motors themselves to have an interest in that aspect of this hobby. I just have no interest in that part of this hobby. I do not have any interest in flying a model that someone else built as well. Mark me down as old fashioned, but just remember; I can build them. I do build them. They fly just fine, and they have been flying just fine for more years than you have been alive. I do have an R/C model with the original engine that has been flying for over 30 years. That is longer than you have been around. Show me an electric R/C plane that has been around that long and is still flyable. In fact show me an ARF that old period.

Bill, AMA 4720




So what's the deal, just jealous because you can't afford the electric stuff? Or maybe you havn't tried them because your still walking uphill in the snow to school?

Either way, I build them too, I also buy arfs ( ), I fly glow, gas, and am getting into electric. The AMA magazine is far from perfect, but it appears they are trying to cover all aspects of MODEL AVIATION not just glow RC stuff. They seem to be moving, albeit slowly, in the right direction.

Just because one person doesn't have an interest in a particular part of the hobby, doesn't mean others don't. Why bash? Why not sit back and listen? You might just find that you CAN teach an OLD dog new tricks.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 3:37:30 PM   
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So what's the deal, just jealous because you can't afford the electric stuff? Or maybe you havn't tried them because your still walking uphill in the snow to school?

Either way, I build them too, I also buy arfs ( ), I fly glow, gas, and am getting into electric. The AMA magazine is far from perfect, but it appears they are trying to cover all aspects of MODEL AVIATION not just glow RC stuff. They seem to be moving, albeit slowly, in the right direction.

Just because one person doesn't have an interest in a particular part of the hobby, doesn't mean others don't. Why bash? Why not sit back and listen? You might just find that you CAN teach an OLD dog new tricks.


Yeah, I'm walkin to school, uphill both ways through the snow. My whole point was that that there is virtually nothing (except the ads) for the gas glow flyer (with the exception of the normal columns). There is more to this hobby than the flying. I was asking for a more balanced publication. As to the flaming, go back and read the first 3 or 4 posts. Then the dialogue broke down (as usual). Maybe the answer is truly a seperate organization for electric and for gas/glow. It is obvious that there is to be no commonality.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 4:18:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back to the original topic... What's the deal with all the E coverage in MA??? I think they're pushing it so hard because of the insurance agency seeing gas as "big" plane, and electric as "park-flyer".

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 4:29:38 PM   
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As to the flaming, go back and read the first 3 or 4 posts. Then the dialogue broke down (as usual).




He he, the good old AMA forum, doesn't take long does it! Of course, my post could probably taken as flaming also.


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Maybe the answer is truly a seperate organization for electric and for gas/glow. It is obvious that there is to be no commonality.

Bill, AMA 4720



This is where I just don't get it.

They are still model aircraft, just a different power source. I currently belong to two different clubs. They both have members that fly just about everything, and everyone gets along. Sometimes they even take interest in something they may not have otherwise.

I think that if the electric guys quit trying to have an attitude that their power source is somehow superior (how many times have you seen the term slimer used!) and if the glow and gas guys quit being scared of something new, they would all realize they are flying the same toy planes and having a ball with them.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/10/2006 4:31:32 PM   
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Back to the original topic... What's the deal with all the E coverage in MA??? I think the