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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 1:37:37 AM   
Red Scholefield



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Red, I almost hit the "Report" button about your post, but then I held off.

Got to find a home for three gian scales to make room for more electric! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING????

Convert them over to electric!


Now, don't let me read any more posts about getting rid of perfectly good aircraft that you could convert over or I will have to hit that "Report" post button!!!


It's not how they are powered, its that they are just too darn big and take up valuable hangar space now that I'm over the big is better thing.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 1:49:57 AM   
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It's not how they are powered, its that they are just too darn big and take up valuable hangar space now that I'm over the big is better thing.


Red,
Yo may be over it, but you will get back to it. As I get older, I have to fly bigger and bigger just to see it. Hang on to them big ol' planes, they will come in handy again.

Bill, AMA 4720


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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 2:57:35 AM   
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Electric, Gas, and Glow (1/4 scale, 1/2A, sport, IMAC, Pattern, Foamy, kit build and ARF). I fly them all. For me they all have a special characteristic I like. To be 100% honest, any of my planes that are 40 size and up I prefer glow or gas. The reason is simple, big batteries just cost to darn much. When you calculate the motor, ESC and a few batteries the cost becomes extremliy prohibitive. I can fly a 40 size plane 5 flights in a couple hours with about a 1/4 gallon of glow fuel.

For instance just a smaller electric plane that flies on a 2100MAH 3Cell LiPo I am spending $68-$85 per pack this gets me 1 flight then I have to wiat for the thing to recharge. In the mean time I can get 4 flights out of my Glow plane and not have to recharge. To get that out of the same Electric I would have to have 4-5 batteries costing $272-$425. That's allot of up front $$$

Long term, Electric would probably win dollars wise, but I don't have the up front money that Electric requires.

FWIW, My Gas planes fly VERY clean and take little to clean up when the day is done.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 3:04:21 AM   
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Regarding the accident in Hungary, I think Dave Brown's comments addressed the issue. This was a tragic unforseen event. I would not want the job he has running the AMA as the Academy has a lot of highly opinionated members whom no one could fully satisfy. Dave is to be commended for his efforts on behalf of the younger and the older crowd. Its tough to run something like this and, obviously, the pay leaves a lot to be desired.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 3:33:37 AM   
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Regarding the accident in Hungary, I think Dave Brown's comments addressed the issue. This was a tragic unforseen event. I would not want the job he has running the AMA as the Academy has a lot of highly opinionated members whom no one could fully satisfy. Dave is to be commended for his efforts on behalf of the younger and the older crowd. Its tough to run something like this and, obviously, the pay leaves a lot to be desired.


Obviously the stipend is satisfactory (when coupled with the head rush of being President of a large national association), otherwise the erstwhile Mr. Brown would not have run for re-election so many times. As to our being opinionated; we have earned the right to be that way through the years that we have dedicated to this hobby. Dave Brown and the entire E.C. have done some things for us, and some things to us. I suppose it depends upon who's ox is being gored. I don't want anyone to try and completely satisfy me, but I would like to be listened to by my elected officers. I would like the occasional note to let me know that my opinions do really matter, and that the Executive Committee is acting on our collective behalf, and not for the benefit of only selected groups of modeller's.

To the gentleman who made the reference to the first model being controlled by radio, my error. Since this forum is dedicated to the AMA and since the AMA literally stands for the Academy of Model Aeronautics, I naturally assumed that you wer referencing the Brothers, Good. My mistake. Perhaps that should be entered into the R/C Boat forum.

Again, to address the original topic of this thread, I personally feel that the AMA magazine is tilted too heavily toward the electric powered models. As before, the majority of those who choose to fly that power option do not and will not belong to the AMA. In fact, I seriously doubt that the majority of them even know of the existance of the organization, or if they are aware of it, they could care less. Just my opinion, bet it's some of your's too.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 3:43:28 AM   
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Again, to address the original topic of this thread, I personally feel that the AMA magazine is tilted too heavily toward the electric powered models. As before, the majority of those who choose to fly that power option do not and will not belong to the AMA. In fact, I seriously doubt that the majority of them even know of the existance of the organization, or if they are aware of it, they could care less. Just my opinion, bet it's some of your's too.

Bill, AMA 4720

I read through the whole magazine for the fourth time and I did not find an overbearance in electric oriented writings. I did, however, find and overbearance in vintage CL and vintage RC. There are far more pilots that fly electric planes than those who fly vintage.
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As before, the majority of those who choose to fly that power option do not and will not belong to the AMA

Maybe the AMA sees that and is trying to attract them by finally talking about electric flight. Electric flight is here to stay.


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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 3:54:14 AM   
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I would agree if you were trying to fly with Lipos, BUT with the "Even newer" battery technology the price came down.

I fly this plane http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN2845 with this motor http://www.warbirds-rc.com/Store/hett291810.html using this ESC http://www.raidentech.com/60atoproelbr.html using 10 of these batteries http://www.a123systems.com/html/tech/life.html 5S2P for 20 min flight time.

OOHH and I bought the 10 cell pack off E-Bay for $95.00 +12 Shipping, so for a 30C 4,600 Mah pack, I hit the mother load .

Here is the most recent video of that plane with those Batteries ( Sorry about the sound track, a friend sent it to me and I over used it ) http://media.putfile.com/maiden3-34.

Well it's bed time Later All

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 4:32:53 AM   
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Actually it is a little myopic to just look at and comment/complain about any one issue (as I have done) It is more informative to look at several issues at once. Each issue will be a bit different in focus and in what is reported. There is clearly more ARF than I care for, and more electric than there used to be. I think the magazine is trying to serve the entire present day AMA community, which includes a bunch of ARF and electric fliers. The little review of a past issue in each magazine does bring a nostalgic tear to my eye, however. I do like the magazine to contain two (or more) construction articles, as these are of the most interest to me, no matter what the airplane.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 4:35:36 AM   
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Ok, so where do the articles (other than the regular columns) come from?
Are they written by staff at AMA or are they submitted by the members?

Mike

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 5:00:51 AM   
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I would hazzard a guess here, that most of today's RC flyiers have never flown a control line model. Especially if you exclude the plastic toys made by Cox or AMF. Now for little money, you can do an ARF Flite Streak in very few hours of effort and get connected with a completely new modeling experience. Feeling an airplane pulling through loops, eights, and wing-overs provides feedback that radio flying just does not have. And a side note, it will make you a better RC pilot too.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 5:23:19 AM   
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What's the big deal about electrics vs fuel power. They both have a place. As to how long anyone's been in the hobby, I started rubber power in 1934 and gas in 1936. Figure out the time for yourself. I've flown everything from free flight to U-control to RC.
I've also flown electric when all that was available was nicad batteries. What ever part of flying model aircraft makes you happy, just do it. I have a near project for a Bristol M1c from Balsa USA that will be kit built and electric with a brushless and lipos. I mostly build what I fly but I have slipped and built a few ARFs as well. What's the big deal about which type of power you prefer to use? If it flys the model what else counts? Are flyers who prefer electric second class citizens or just people who prefer another form of power?
Let's lighten up.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 6:15:57 AM   
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Your gas days will soon be over.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 6:27:19 AM   
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An RC flier made a tongue in cheek comment in an article to the effect that given urbanization and environmental concerns, some day the only outdoor flight allowed would be electric control line. So prepare yourself. There is actually a fair amount of pretty sophisticated electric CL being flown already, by Bob Hunt, among others.

If you look at the authors, you will see that they are written by AMA members like us. The website tells you how to submit. I've proposed five articles and had two accepted and published in Model Aviation. They pay a little something.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 7:19:46 AM   
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I'm still waiting for a Dave Brown article in the magazine to discuss something OTHER than liability/insurance and other items that fall into those two categories.

So far since I've been a member (and honestly I don't read every one) I haven't seen it yet.
Instead of promoting modeling which I thought the AMA was about Dave Browns job title should be changed to something in the new corporate speak of limiting liability, or exposure awareness or some such.

I'm not against safety and the awareness we need of it. But it does get tiring when EVERY month that's all he harps on, when we are seeing new and exciting stuff come into the hobby everyday etc...Dave doesn't seem EXCITED about the hobby at all but rather stuck on insurance and liability - which is PART of his job - but it is not 100% of his job and I've yet to see him adress the other parts of his job at least in his monthly article.

Anyone elses August MA have double the pages in it? The first 50 pages in mine were printed twice.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 2:53:33 PM   
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I'm still waiting for a Dave Brown article in the magazine to discuss something OTHER than liability/insurance and other items that fall into those two categories.

So far since I've been a member (and honestly I don't read every one) I haven't seen it yet.
Instead of promoting modeling which I thought the AMA was about Dave Browns job title should be changed to something in the new corporate speak of limiting liability, or exposure awareness or some such.

I'm not against safety and the awareness we need of it. But it does get tiring when EVERY month that's all he harps on, when we are seeing new and exciting stuff come into the hobby everyday etc...Dave doesn't seem EXCITED about the hobby at all but rather stuck on insurance and liability - which is PART of his job - but it is not 100% of his job and I've yet to see him adress the other parts of his job at least in his monthly article.

Anyone elses August MA have double the pages in it? The first 50 pages in mine were printed twice.

I hear ya Bob. Good points.

Anyway...about the Mag...They make it up by not printing 50 pages in mine. I had to get that in before horsefly gets on another rant about mag costs thereby causing MA to charge you for the extra copied pages.


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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 3:08:08 PM   
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That is another new revenue stream,
you will get a bill for the extra copy (for cutting out & handing to friends)

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