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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/11/2006 9:32:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shaq555, I severely doubt that the AMA will ever ban gas powered aircraft. I also don't want that either. I enjoy flying gas powered planes, however, so many AMA leaders are sticks in the mud when it comes to electric flight. I don't care if they fly it or not, I just would appreciate them acknowledging that E-power is a proven alternative power source. By finally covering E power in MA through more than one column and occasional mention, I think that they are moving a step in the right direction. I enjoy flying foamies as I have a nice back yard to fly them in, but when it comes to powering any of my bigger planes, I think I'll stick to glow for the time being. When the price is good, I'll probably start usiing more E-power in planes. If I had the money, I would do it now. One thing that is becoming an issue is the noise. Fields are being lost due to noise. At a recent fly in, there was a DA 150 powered Lanier 37.5% Sukhoi that was extremely loud and the pilot wasn't that great either.(I won't mention his name) It was powered by a stock DA150 and was ripping it's two blade prop around. A more expensive alternative would be a three-bladed prop, pipes and throttle management. This could easily reduce the noise 20 decibles.(He should have been grounded due to the noise) By the time you have spent that money, E-power would only be another $500-$1000 for a turnkey setup. (you could do it at the same price though)

It may not be what I fly now or even prefer, but the AMA is trying to move into the future(or at least the late '90's) by covering more in the electric arena. I think it's a great thing! So, where do you stand? Holding the future, or holding it back?


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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 2:19:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gas/Glow will never be gone. I think theres certain
breed of flyer ,young & old, that loves to operate,
tinker & use ect. fueled engines. The sound the
smell & every thing that goes with them. I think
E-pwr is the lazy mans way to fly. And theres a lot
of lazy people this day & age.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 3:47:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: decay

Gas/Glow will never be gone. I think theres certain
breed of flyer ,young & old, that loves to operate,
tinker & use ect. fueled engines. The sound the
smell & every thing that goes with them. I think
E-pwr is the lazy mans way to fly. And theres a lot
of lazy people this day & age.


Gas days will soon be over - especially for aircraft for many reasons. Model cars...thats a different story First of all you have to have people who want gas planes, you older guys wont be around much longer. Electric is just cooler heres why. Quotes from people who tried my fast electric plane withswept back 62 inch wing, with a folding prop " Its like having 3 planes in one way cool" from (DIE HARD GASSER WITH GIANT ULTIMATE BIPE) " This thing is wicked looking" " Its so smooth" "Wow look yal im gliding now" Cool it whisteles in a dive" Wow I just passed that stick with the motor off" This from people 25--42 years old not negative like you guys. The older folks within 2 weeks voted a strike against my membership to have this me/plane banned. 2 more strikes and your out of the club. Just showing how jealous/cruel gas guys really are. And you DEcay are the one thats lazy you cant even program an electric plane much less fly one. I program my ESC with a laptop is that lazy? takes time and lots of reading to learn how. Also you can tinker with the electric motor timing props etc. ha ha..LOL

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 4:08:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		what was the actual offence in the Strike against you... Excessive Coolness? They probably said you did something wrong/verboten.... just wondering what club rule you violated to earn a strike.

quote:

And you DEcay are the one thats lazy you cant even program an electric plane much less fly one.

making some assumtions there.
Is buying sticks & making a plane out of them lazy? Oh, it is if you make a non-Eplane.... cause cutting a NoFoil wing from FFFoam is so much more unlazy than ribbing & ironing.

I'm guessing the cable to usb program the ESC cost more than the airframe & motor for my 049.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 5:11:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was no offense they lied. They are liars in fact i could give you a whole list from a 5 year period. Im so glad i joined an electric club. If any e people read this just say no to gas clubs.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 5:14:44 AM   
50%plane



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ORIGINAL: Gasdaysaregone


quote:

ORIGINAL: decay

Gas/Glow will never be gone. I think theres certain
breed of flyer ,young & old, that loves to operate,
tinker & use ect. fueled engines. The sound the
smell & every thing that goes with them. I think
E-pwr is the lazy mans way to fly. And theres a lot
of lazy people this day & age.


Gas days will soon be over - especially for aircraft for many reasons. Model cars...thats a different story First of all you have to have people who want gas planes, you older guys wont be around much longer. Electric is just cooler heres why. Quotes from people who tried my fast electric plane withswept back 62 inch wing, with a folding prop " Its like having 3 planes in one way cool" from (DIE HARD GASSER WITH GIANT ULTIMATE BIPE) " This thing is wicked looking" " Its so smooth" "Wow look yal im gliding now" Cool it whisteles in a dive" Wow I just passed that stick with the motor off" This from people 25--42 years old not negative like you guys. The older folks within 2 weeks voted a strike against my membership to have this me/plane banned. 2 more strikes and your out of the club. Just showing how jealous/cruel gas guys really are. And you DEcay are the one thats lazy you cant even program an electric plane much less fly one. I program my ESC with a laptop is that lazy? takes time and lots of reading to learn how. Also you can tinker with the electric motor timing props etc. ha ha..LOL


awwww, nevermind.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 5:47:28 AM   
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quote:

what was the actual offence in the Strike against you... Excessive Coolness? They probably said you did something wrong/verboten.... just wondering what club rule you violated to earn a strike
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quote:

There was no offense they lied.


ok, I'll play the game. If this forum is anything, it is a stickler for semantics.

What lies did they tell? What did they falsely accuse you of doing, other than you just being cooler than them, to give you a Strike?

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 5:49:14 AM   
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< Message edited by 50%plane -- 8/12/2006 5:52:02 AM >

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 6:05:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Crikey!
... and I didnt even recognise the Dodge The Question style

Go get me the TrollFeeder pointy hat, I'm heading to the corner with my chair

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 10:10:32 AM   
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Crikey!
... and I didnt even recognise the Dodge The Question style

Go get me the TrollFeeder pointy hat, I'm heading to the corner with my chair

There it is the banned plane Lipos are not needed with folding prop NIMH works fine saves energy during loops with motor off etc...

Saved alot $100 or more in glow fuel already been flying it a year



They said i was diving more than twice... thru the length of the pits they lied i think i would know if my plane was 20 ft behind me

edited for pic

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 10:49:47 AM   
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They said i was diving more than twice !!! thru the length of the pits they lied i think i would know if my plane was 20 ft behind me



And if the majority of the club agrees that you did, in fact do this, then it's a conspiracy to get rid of you.... Sounds more likely that they want to be rid of an anal orfice. If one person says something, let the statement be suspect. If the majority says the same thing, you'd best pay attention.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 10:58:06 AM   
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They were cruel to a discus launch glider pilot also ...Sorry you cant admit that gas guys are not nice at some clubs face it they are people..The AMA needs to have a discrimination rule. The discus launch glider guy did like 8 rolls by pumping it on the way down.. rolls and loops with no motor..they just cant take those 22 year old hot shots.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 11:23:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just to chime in, because I'm thoroughly entertained by this thread now... I gotta tell ya, to say that people who use gas engines or electric engines have one particular trait, (in this case, calling the gas users "not nice" is just plain silly. You can't take your experience with one or two people that prefer gasoline powered engines and judge them all that way, it's a very inaccurate way to evaluate a group. Same thing with electric folks. I wouldn't judge one based on the actions of another. It's kind of like judging someone by their ethnicity, get it yet?

I prefer gasoline or glow. I don't buy electric, but that's just me and I welcome anyone out to the flying field who DOES use electric. Hey, I think they're pretty neat, but they're just not my thing.

Gas engines aren't going anywhere. To say otherwise in confidence, you either have a crystal ball telling you so or you're fecitious brain is playing tricks on you without your knowledge.

In fact, gasoline engines are getting smaller and more affordable, so they are actually doing quite well. Glow engines aren't about to go away either. They seem to keep getting better and if you go to the O.S. website, you can see the progression their particular lines have made.

Like electric power? Go for it, I'll fly with you and probably inquire as to what some of those freaky numbers in the motor listings mean, (No, I just don't get those numbers!). Like glow power? Great, I'll fly with you and help ya tune your engine if you want some assistance. Like gasoline engines? Fantastic, I'll probably need your expertise.

Stickbuilder, come to Eugene, Oregon, and you can fly with us. 50%, same goes with you. Afterall, this hobby isn't just about airplanes. Stick together or watch it fall apart.

I'll see you out at the flying field.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/12/2006 12:40:56 PM   
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Stickbuilder, come to Eugene, Oregon, and you can fly with us. 50%, same goes with you. Afterall, this hobby isn't just about airplanes. Stick together or watch it fall apart.


Hmm, I think my comments were misunderstood.

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RE: August 2006 MA magazine - 8/13/2006 1:45:51 AM   
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Gas is dropping off heres why-- older people are into gas if noone is alive to purchase it how will it stay around? Gas engines are loud that means mandantory membership in a club, and having to drive futher away to fly. Gas maybe be here now but theres no younger people to replace the old guys. Even if young people join a club there already hooked on electrics from the previous years.
Just like the eletric guys I know. They actually drive -by pass my former gas club (old guys) to fly at an E club..

Discrimination--IM not talking one or two samples there were more than a dozen hands rasied to vote away my electric plane. Just read posts in here there is alot of people like the ones in my club. Just look at the insults proves my point exactly..IF any pure Electric people are reading this dont waste time at gas clubs youll never change them and you wont have a growing number of electric people to fly with.

Health--Next im going to talk about glider flying and the benefits of exercise. The AMA magazine should cover health and exercise. I knew 3 persons at my former gas club who had heart attacks or blockages -- then had stints put in, Gas pilots need to work out. You need to be alive to be able to pay 58 dollars a year i hope the AMA knows this.


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