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Stickit Questions - 3/4/2002 11:00:13 PM   
Dave McDonald



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The basic construction of the Stickit IV and V are nearly identical.

The IV uses 4" wide ailerons, the V uses 5" ailerons.

The IV horizontal tail has 2/3 fixed stab, 1/3 elevator. The V has 1/3 fixed stab, 2/3 elevator.

The IV uses internal mounted servo arms, the V uses exposed servo arms.

You can't go wrong with either version for hovering, but the Stickit V can out maneuver the Stickit IV at slow speeds.

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Re: Dave McD: - 3/4/2002 11:55:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Coulter_Dean
I love your site, Very cool story for Stickits!

I may have to get some of those plans! Whats your favorite, The stickit V, or the Super Smith special?
You say you have a 40FP on yours, Does it have unlimited vertical? If I can get away with cheap stuff, that would make it even more desirable : Thanks for the info! [/QUOTE]

These planes were not meant to go fast or be grossly overpowered. They aren't built strong ( heavy ) enough for that. When I hear someone say " unlimited vertical" I want them to know that you do certainly need enough power to " punch up" the nose in hover, you also probably don't want a tuned pipe Jett either. An FP .40 is plenty enough, especially with mousse can pipe as Dave uses on his. Yes, you can go straight up from hover as far as you care to, but it might not exactly be at 70 mph either. I used an LA .46 on my first one and it had plenty of oomph. These planes typically weigh around 3 1/3 lbs when built stock. The competition guys use .32's and .36's on them, but a cheap sleeve bearing .40 is plenty good enough for sport use and is a little easier to hover as it will swing a larger diameter prop giving more disc area. I'd recommend building the Stickit V. Both are awesome, but the V loops even tighter and rolls faster at lower speed. They are cheap and fast to build. Probably wanna consider running decent ball bearing servos on 6 volts for faster servo speed and higher torque. Dave is right, if you build one, you will always have to have one in your fleet. They are a blast to fly.

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Thanks Foamguy! - 3/5/2002 1:22:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats what I needed. About the "unlimited" Vertical, I have had planes that when you try to go vertical, they just mush and fall back, even at full throttle. All I want with this stickit is to be able to go "up" and fly vertically out of a hover. If it does that, then I'm sold on the 40FP.
I'm still not sure If I need both plan sets from IV and V, to be able to build the Stickit V??? Anyone know?
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Lets See Some Fun Fly Plane Pics - 3/5/2002 2:45:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You really don't need both sets. The plans for Stickit V are really just the mods to Stickit IV.

The cheap way to go is order plans for Stickit IV, then increase aileron width from 4" to 5". The stab on the IV is 2/3 of total length with 1/3 being elevator. Reverse these so you have 1/3 stab and 2/3 elevator.

The servos arms on the IV are out in the open. On the V the servos are totally inside. Glue a tray or a couple stringers inside and I'm sure you can devise your own routing system. I used the plastic sleeves from some golden rods and ran the sleeves right through the trailing edge next to the boom exit. Lay in some carbon fiber across that area for strength before you cover it.

Truly there is no wrong way... on these type planes a lot is left up to the imagination of the owner. I prefer the clean look with the servos and tank inside the wing myself.

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40FP = Unlimited Vertical - 3/5/2002 3:53:19 AM   
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I define "Unlimited Vertical" as having enough excess thrust to accelerate out of a stationary hover.

Take a close look at the hovering Stickit photo I posted earlier. Notice that the throttle stick is only at half power during the hover, which leaves plenty of reserve power to punch out of there.

The OS 40FP with a Mousse Can Pipe will provide unlimited vertical to a Stickit.....until you reach about 4.5 pounds flying weight. But 4.5 pounds is way overweight for a Stickit, and nearly twice the weight of the Smith Super Special.

I love my 40FP engines! In fact, I own 7 of them. True, they're not very powerful compared to other 40s, but don't compare the 40FP to other 40s. Instead, compare it to other engines that weigh the same as the 40FP.......such as the expensive ball bearing 25 or 32 engines. Then the 40FP begins to shine! In that weight class, the 40FP has very good power, is extremely reliable and trouble free, and responds very well to a MCP. But the best thing about using a 40FP on a Stickit is the throttle response. The 40FP is perfect for hovering and low level goofing around because the engine responds instantly and precisely to even the slightest changes in throttle commands. My OS 32, Webra 32, and TT Pro 36 can't even begin to compete with the precision throttle response of the 40FP.

The only engine I've found to be equal or better than the 40FP for hovering and goofing around with a Stickit type plane is the Thunder Tiger 42GP with a MCP. It weighs slightly more, but the 42GP has more power than the 40FP....and still has that perfect throttle response that's needed for hovering.

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Stickit plans! - 3/5/2002 8:25:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'm going to order the Stickit IV plans, and modify the plane myself. I'm going to also do a write up on it during construction, so be looking for that sometime soon! Thanks for the instruction!

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Morphing a Stickit IV into a Stickit V - 3/5/2002 9:40:28 AM   
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I think you've made a wise choice!

When or if you need more details about the modifications, just let me know.

BTW, I really like your color scheme on your Extra Special!!!

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Fun Fly Choice - 3/5/2002 10:20:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		You ought to take a look at the MS Menace. It is a later generation version of the Stickit with some fuselage side area added to the fiberglass boom. Most of the serious fun fly guys on the East coast moved on from the Stickit several years ago. The Menace is very hoverable. There is a post in this forum about the kits now being available again. Building time and cost should be about the same for both planes.

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Menace - 3/5/2002 10:57:57 AM   
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I would agree with you that the Stickits are probably outdated for full blown competition. After all, the design is over 10 years old. But for death defying on-the-deck thrills, a Stickit is still hard to beat, especially as an intro to these type planes.

Nice photos of that Menace!!!
I've got some plans to a Menace, but it doesn't show any details about how the "fuselage" is built. The plans only show an outline.

Do you have any photos or information about the structure of the Menace "fuselage"?

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Menace Design - 3/5/2002 11:06:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dave:

I had a Menace kit and sold it a couple of years ago. I wish I had kept it. The fuse pieces were just light balsa about 14" thick. The pieces were were just glued to the top and bottoms of the wing and fiberglass boom. The fin and rudder are built up stick construction. I talked to the designer about this and he assured me that he had tried built up stick fuses, but that his design had proved itself for durability.

I think the Menace kit goes for about $65 shipped, which seems like a pretty good value for all the engineering that has gone into the design. The kit builds very light, about 3 lbs. with a .32 sized engine. Some guys claim to build them as light as 2.25 pounds, but I have a hard time understanding how they do it when the engine and radio equipment weighs 2 pounds. If you like flying this type of plane, you really should try a Menace.

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Menace info - 3/5/2002 11:24:15 AM   
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THANK YOU for the Menace info!!! That explains a LOT about the fuselage plans! And for $65, I'm awfully tempted to buy one of those Menace kits.

Hey Foamguy! I think rcman just answered our Menace question!

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Minus - 3/5/2002 6:27:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The kit that is in production now is the MINUS from Turner
Performance Products. They have the Rev-up type of props
that we use as well.
This type of plane (boom with fin fuse) is what most are using
in Std fun fly and for Comp fun fly we loose the rudder and
fuse for all our performance in the Unlimited type of task.

For more info and pictures goto http://www.ncffafunfly.org/
click on the online forum and click on Minus at the resource
and supply column. There you will find a thread on the Minus.

Hi Dave, Get a new Flying Machine in the air?
We've got them now.

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Big FF Plane - 3/6/2002 11:50:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey gang , we fly and love the Menace and many others, but this H9 232 with the awesome ZDZ 80 single is one superb FUN to fly plane !! Have FUN !! Rod & Chris

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Morris the Pen Knife - 3/8/2002 7:48:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished this project. After I break in the motor a tuned pipe will be installed.

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pen knife - 3/8/2002 8:14:32 PM