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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/18/2006 10:23:32 PM   
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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 12:23:25 AM   
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Dual Rudder Servo Installation, aftermarket tray;

After hitting the rack at 3a.m. I work up with an epiphany. The results of which will be depicted here. I figured that enough of the factory deck is open anyway, so why not ut out the section where the rudder servos would normally be installed, add a 3/8" ply strong back to each end, and add a 1/8" carbon fiber-balsa sandwich sheet to the top to tie it all together? You probably don't need the sandwich sheet, but what the heck. The strongbacks will be epoxied into place at the ends of the openings under the deck, with the sandwich on top.

Since I don't use a choke servo the weight gain should not be too much not to justify. In an attempt to minimize the situation, the actual weight gained should be about equal to the tray and one piece of the ply strong back over an installation with just the double servos and using a choke servo. The sandwich sheeting weighs almost nothing.

For those interested in using the factory deck for a dual servo installation, check with Tom on some linkage installations. He has some stuff that works out pretty similar to the SWB installation without the tray or the need for changing anything. If you are using Hitec servos and have access to a programmer, all you have to do is match things up really well and take advantage of a lightweight direct servo to servo linkage installation. If you're intending to use a single servo rudder, you can see that there is an opening for one of the larger servos that would suit the requirement.

Some of the reasons I like the SWB tray are because it's impossible to stall a servo with the self adjusting linkage. The servos don't have to be perfectly matched, just as close as you can at the centers. Getting real close at the end points would be even better but it's not terribly critical. You also only need to wye harness the servos together and use just one port in a receiver. No Matchboxes, Equalizers, or programming, and no worry of burning up a pair of servos.

I'm posting some pictures now, and the rest when it's complete. Right now I have about 25 pounds of lead weights and clamps holding the sandwich in place while the epoxy dries.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 1:04:49 AM   
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I did something similar on my 41% WH Extra using a SWB self adjusting tray for 3 servos. See attached picture.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 1:21:04 AM   
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In ways I like your installation better. Try finding those wire keepers anywhere right now. It seems that J Tec has fallen a bit behind.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 1:45:24 AM   
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Try finding those wire keepers anywhere right now. It seems that J Tec has fallen a bit behind.

I think Airwild Hobbies stocks them also. But yes, I got mine from J'Tec.


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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 1:58:46 AM   
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Tower Hobbies is now selling them too

I like these a little better

http://dreamworksrc.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=124

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 8:47:47 PM   
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Elevator Installation;

This post is a "Work in Progress" so more will be added as the day goes by. Pics later as usual.

Thed first thing you will notice (other than how great it looks) when you take the plane out of the box is how far back the elevators look to be in comparison to, say the 35%Giles, all the 28% planes, and the Ultimate. Oh my! Ok, now we're over that, what are we going to do about wiring? You will need (2) extensions a minimum of 36" long, plus the lead that comes on the servo. That length depends entirely on where you locate your receiver, and could require a longer extension. They can be easily obtained in lengths up to about 48"

If you use a Matchbox or similar to set up twin elevator servos, you can attach the Matchbox to one of the vertical posts on the side of the fuselage by the rudder tray and run the receiver connection up a little frther towrds the nose, letting a 36" be enough. If you place the receiver muct more than a couple of inches forward of the most aft opening for the rudder servo in the tray, then a longer extension will be needed. Unless you want to stand the plane on it's nose to fish the wires you will also need a long and reasonably stiff wire with a hook on the end to grab the extension and pull it forward after the extension enters the aft end of the fuselage. If you know anyone that installs T-Bar/Acoustic ceilings, they have the perfect tool just laying around in scrap 12ga. wire.

The use of an extension brings up a couple of other points. One is the connector. You know, that one that can come apart in flight making for a real bad day? If you use a connector, be absolutely certain to secure the junction in such a manner that it cannot come apart!! There are many ways to do this, but the manner that you choose will determine if the extension can be later easily separated to remove the horizontal stab, or if you want to leave the wire and extension intact and just remove all of it when desired. Which segues to another point.

I'm going to be the last one on the face of this earth to suggest that you cut a servo wire and splice in a longer extension by soldering the wires together and adding some shrink tubing. I absolutely won't suggest that. But---One of several nice things about a one piece long servo wire is that it cannot come apart. Plus is has a lower voltage loss without an extra pair of connectors, and the connections can't get dirty or corrode somewhere waaay back in the fuselage, and you have the opportunity to add a toroid noise filter to the wire when it's apart should you so desire. Remember that the more connectors you have in a wire, the possibility of issues increases exponentially with the number of connectors. You probably won't be able to get to the servo extension connection without detaching the wire from the receiver anyway. So if, all on your own and without any nudging by anyone, you decise to make up a one piece extension, get the 48" wires to allow for a little "working room". Just something to ponder before the time comes to get one of these for yourself.

The bulkheads inside the fuselage are open enough to get your arm pretty deep into the back when you need to, plus they have cutouts in the bottom that are just perfect to run the servo leads through and secure in place. There's no need for a bunch of add on stuff to secure the wires. Just some tied up dental floss or careful application of wire ties. I prefer the dental floss since it has never cut one of my servo leads like wire ties have. That one time was real expensive, but mostly disturbing since the plane was destroyed. Radio Shack used to sell a product called a "Beaded Wire Tie" that positively won't ever cut a wire.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 10:04:50 PM   
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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 10:10:23 PM   
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Thanks, Ralph.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/19/2006 10:29:16 PM   
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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/20/2006 6:40:01 AM   
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Hey,

Whats up with all the editing, it's messing up the flow of the thread

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/20/2006 1:19:10 PM   
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The Sukhoi that Pat has is one of the first prototypes. I have asked him to not treat his build as a review because there are things that need to be fixed. I never intended all this information to be public, even though so far it's been very positive.

He has agreed, thus the editing.

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/20/2006 6:13:02 PM   
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The edits were neither negative or detrimental, but not yet applicable to the situation. A timing thing, you see. Out of consideration for the fact finding that's involved in prototype testing, and since some changes will be made to the production models, I will be holding off posting until there are a few flights on her and those items I believe to need changed are discussed with Tom, which we do on a near daily basis.

It would not be fair to purchasers to have a boatload of pictures and descriptions that were no longer accurate due to some design changes. Much better to have the ones that will be accurate for the application. I will post notes about the areas that changes will likely be taking place so there will not be any confusion later. Everything is still thumbs up and looking good Plus I've been spending waaay too much time writing instead of building It's nice to play hookey a little now and then

Back soon, I have to go finish a Sukhoi

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RE: New Wild Hare Sukhoi ready to fly - 8/23/2006 3:26:23 AM   
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