RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit  
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Tower Hobbies
Enter up to 4 keywords or Tower stock numbers
Logged in as Guest



Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
       



All Forums >> RC Cars, Buggies, Trucks, Tanks and more >> RC Car Engines >> Car Nitro & Gas Engines >> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>  

Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 10/26/2006 5:56:43 AM   
pondhopper



Posts: 181
Joined: 10/6/2006
From: Port AlberniBC, CANADA
Status: offline
I read every post on this thread, there are some awsome points, some not so great. This would be great reading(or parts) for anyone who would like to know how a 2-stroke nitro engine works. I think supercharging would work, but i dont think it would return good bang for the buck. As for the guys original question, just get a bigger, more powerful motor, everyone will agree it works.

AND WHO THE H@)) WOULD TURBOCHARGE A VESPA!?! c'mon....

_____________________________

You just can't fix stupid.
Inspiration is the mother of invention. Desperation is the father

(in reply to 125cchyperman)
       Post #: 101

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 10/26/2006 8:02:54 PM   
125cchyperman


 

Posts: 2581
Joined: 3/16/2006
From: Manheim , PA, USA
Status: offline
Well I've watched people use a leaf blow as a sort of forced air inductrion system. I actually gave HP gains as much as 32hp I believe, this was on a pickup , then they did the same thing on a eclipse and got gains of up to 20hp just to verify that it actually worked. It was pretty insane (cool and stupid wise) but it did make higher numbers. As to the turbo charged vespa to each there own I guess.

But did anybody else watch the vid in there of the F1 engine, It's on the second page of 10 the 2 minute one.

_____________________________

Go eat a grape there cowboy

(in reply to pondhopper)
       Post #: 102

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 12/7/2006 4:07:52 PM   
Dago Red



Posts: 2857
Joined: 8/14/2002
From: Elmendorf, AK, USA
Status: offline
if the Detroit Deisel 2 stroke cane use a supercharger...why can our 2 strokes?? As for turbos...a waste for cars/planes. You use the HOT exhaust to turn it, the turbo gets hot and therefore the intake air will become hot. then you need to build a innercooler, that small just wont work i believe . You need a way to keep the turbo cool, i guess run your fuel through it?? When your done running you need to let the turbo sit and cool, it you shut down with any cooling substance in it...itll boil it and ruin it. A supercharger will work i beleive.

(in reply to 125cchyperman)
       Post #: 103

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 12/7/2006 7:28:54 PM   
SAVAGEJIM



Posts: 4446
Joined: 7/6/2005
From: behind my 'puter, USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dago Red

if the Detroit Deisel 2 stroke cane use a supercharger...why can our 2 strokes?? As for turbos...a waste for cars/planes. You use the HOT exhaust to turn it, the turbo gets hot and therefore the intake air will become hot. then you need to build a innercooler, that small just wont work i believe . You need a way to keep the turbo cool, i guess run your fuel through it?? When your done running you need to let the turbo sit and cool, it you shut down with any cooling substance in it...itll boil it and ruin it. A supercharger will work i beleive.


Aside from cooling, what are the other components a 2 stroke Detroit diesel engine has other than the turbocharger and the cooling and intercooling system? I'm pretty sure there is more to it than just that. Is the turbocharger meant to provide its peak boost at a certain RPM at a given pressure so as to not simply waste fuel/air by pushing it out the exhaust? There has to be more that I am not grasping about Detroit Diesel 2 strokes.

_____________________________

I hate stray Tomcats

(in reply to Dago Red)
       Post #: 104

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 12/8/2006 1:53:07 AM   
125cchyperman


 

Posts: 2581
Joined: 3/16/2006
From: Manheim , PA, USA
Status: offline
The detroit diesel also uses a vavle for the exhaust instead of a regular port from what I know. The only port that is there is the intake so it is able to capture and use the forced induction to it's advantage. Our 2 stroke engine's are totally different then a Detroit diesel is and there for a supercharger or turbo charger cannot be used to sucessfully gain huge power amounts. The valve is located exactly where a 4 stroke has there ports at the head.

Our 2 stroke's use a port for both intake and exhaust where as a Detroit diesel uses only the intake port and a valve for the exhaust. Thats how it is able to gain from the use of a supercharger and our little 2 strokes do not.

_____________________________

Go eat a grape there cowboy

(in reply to SAVAGEJIM)
       Post #: 105

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 12/20/2006 4:11:27 AM   
shvdcat



Posts: 205
Joined: 3/29/2005
From: kenosha, WI, USA
Status: offline
.

< Message edited by shvdcat -- 12/21/2006 2:11:04 AM >

(in reply to 125cchyperman)
       Post #: 106

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 12/25/2006 3:56:31 PM   
B Boy


 

Posts: 8
Joined: 4/1/2003
From: AL
Status: offline
I just ran across this, and it has been an interesting read, but you guys forgot one important area of the motor through all of this. Ultimately, the only area that benefits from any charging, done anywhere, at any time, is the volume above the piston. Regardless of anything that happens prior to the compression of f/a mixture, the pressure above the piston will be created by the backpressures of the tuned pipe. As the piston approaches TDC (for the actual work of the motor to be done), the last port open before the combustion cycle is the exhaust port, period. Any pressurized air would have been effectively negated as it moved throught this area by the simple fact that air pressure (volume) normalizes immediately upon introduction to an open system. The arguement that a packet of compressed (or denser) air will sit around, remaining pressurized, and wait for all ports to close, is a subject of humor. The last complete volume of air before the explosion (in its entirety) is ; top of piston, exhaust opening, header, tuned pipe. Note, that none of the area effected by any type charging device is mentioned, because all ports have closed by this time, except for the exhaust. Therefore, this is where the final say in pressurization happens. Who cares about pressurization anywhere in the motor except above the piston just before the combustion stroke or before this area was sealed off from the crankcase. Unless you are able to pressurize this chamber with your super mixture just before this area closes, no significant performance gains can be yeilded. The only place that charging can be done is through the exhaust port.

(in reply to shvdcat)
       Post #: 107

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/7/2007 3:59:30 PM   
shvdcat



Posts: 205
Joined: 3/29/2005
From: kenosha, WI, USA
Status: offline
thats why you use a four stroke

(in reply to B Boy)
       Post #: 108

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/28/2007 9:57:53 PM   
jimi hendrix


 

Posts: 40
Joined: 10/16/2006
From: lethbridge, AB, CANADA
Status: offline
K, guys you all say that superchargers on nitro 2 stroke engines dont work, well look at this and it'll change your mind. http://www.rbinnovations.com/catalog/howitworks.php?osCsid=8d96b3259f187c7971340ace69ad3501
Your exhaust pipes have baffles in them to well baffle the noise so your neighbours dont get annouyed. It causes the exhaust coming from the exhaust port of the engine to bounce off of the baffles and come back towards the port and stops the supercharged air in the cylinder and then the cylinder comes back up and uses it for the compresion stroke. Im gonna get a nitro truck this summer and im gonna put a supercharger and nitrous on it and keep you guys all posted and ill make areview on both of them.

(in reply to shvdcat)
       Post #: 109

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/29/2007 2:24:27 AM   
SAVAGEJIM



Posts: 4446
Joined: 7/6/2005
From: behind my 'puter, USA
Status: offline
I believe that we have already expressed that we all strongly believe that the RB Innovations supercharger and supercharger gear is not what it advertises to be. Their explanation is just another ploy to try to convince us to buy their expensive little kazoos of a fan with a rubber band. (I.e. I am not sold on this explanation by RB Innovations.)

Sorry, this explanation of the baffles in the pipe leaves too many questions still open. Will the increased pressure of the supercharged fuel-air misxture overpower these tuned return waves? This would definitely throw off the benefit of the tuned pipe if so. I personally think the superchared fuel-air charge will overpower the return from the pipe since nitro pipes and manifolds are designd for naturally aspirated 2-stroke nitro engines, not any 2-stroke nitro engine with forced induction on it.

_____________________________

I hate stray Tomcats

(in reply to jimi hendrix)
       Post #: 110

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/29/2007 3:11:03 PM   
jimi hendrix


 

Posts: 40
Joined: 10/16/2006
From: lethbridge, AB, CANADA
Status: offline
Ya okay i understand that you guys dont believe that the superchargers work and i kinda doubt them too, so this summer i will make a new topic about a review on those superchargers and see if they do or dont work. I'm pretty sure the review will be done on a kyosho or traxxas truck

(in reply to SAVAGEJIM)
       Post #: 111

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/29/2007 3:25:40 PM   
greywolf187


 

Posts: 104
Joined: 5/19/2006
From: Las Vegas, NV, USA
Status: offline
anybody who would like to try this out please contact me. I'll be happy to sell you a used supercharger from RB for 100.00 dollars. it will come with all the part you need to install it. plus I'll add a boost bottle and two feet of clear fuel line. the supercharger is for a traxxas 2.5 or 3.3 motor. the only thing you will need to do is get to install guide from RB.

_____________________________

the more you learn about something the more your mind will close. so listen more.

(in reply to jimi hendrix)
       Post #: 112

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/29/2007 4:05:29 PM   
jimi hendrix


 

Posts: 40
Joined: 10/16/2006
From: lethbridge, AB, CANADA
Status: offline
did that supercharger not work grey wolf??

(in reply to greywolf187)
       Post #: 113

RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit - 1/29/2007 4:31:44 PM   
greywolf187


 

Posts: 104
Joined: 5/19/2006
From: Las Vegas, NV, USA
Status: offline
used alot of fuel. but, I could not see any difference between a good tuned motor and the super charger.

_____________________________

the more you learn about something the more your mind will close. so listen more.

(in reply to jimi hendrix)
       Post #: 114