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turboednitro -> were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 4:01:31 AM)

ok this is gana be a new hobby for me im about to buy a nitro car and i wanted to know were i can find a turbo or supercharger kit. if they even make them. ok and also what kind of engine should i pick up money is no problem i would be willing to spend up to 1000 if i had to on this thing. i want it to be fast really fast so give me some help



hpi apollo -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 4:07:45 AM)

ok first of all, you need to learn to start, tune, maintain, and run a nitro engine first, period, walk before you run

what car are you getting? and fast is often a word that shouldnt be put in the same sentence as "noob"

yes they do make superchargers but they are basically a waste of $150-200, higher nitro fuel makes more power than a supercharger



turboednitro -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 4:14:05 AM)

im really not for sure what i should get i was woundering if you guys could help me on deciding. and also i am a noob so take it easy but im looking for a good engine to go with the car i get. are there certain engine that only fit on certain models of cars?



turboednitro -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 4:32:19 AM)

ok im going 1/10 scale car but how should i get it with and im gana replace the engine afterwards? any idea what car i should get and what engine?



125cchyperman -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 7:00:53 AM)

I cant really tell you what car you should get but I can tell you a good on road engine though. The .12tz is a good powerful engine. But for a newb it will be a lot of power and im not really sure a newb will be able to handle it. But as for a supercharger or turbo they are more for show and dont give you any go. You would have to know how a 2 stroke works to understand that a superchrager or turbo just simple wont work. On a 2 stroke you simple waste fuel and waste a $150 or more dollars on a piece that you end up just sitting on a shelf and forgeting about. If you want more power try a tunned pipe or higher nitro percentages. But as someone had already said walk then run.

Basically any nitro car is going to be insanely fast for you because your new to the rc game. So even a slow car will seem to be fast as he## for you. I would get a rtr, then when you get use to it then upgrade. Or I can see you having a nice insanely fast car wraped around a telephone pole and being able to save little if anything from it.



JayC1968 -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 9:15:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hpi apollo

ok first of all, you need to learn to start, tune, maintain, and run a nitro engine first, period, walk before you run

what car are you getting? and fast is often a word that shouldnt be put in the same sentence as "noob"

yes they do make superchargers but they are basically a waste of $150-200, higher nitro fuel makes more power than a supercharger

I could not have said that better.............[;)]



VENTUREMAN -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 5:21:28 PM)

get a tc3. and for a engine the o.s 18 tz.its a turbo.



turboednitro -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 7:11:08 PM)

ok i understand what you guys are saying i just thought that something supercharged or turboed would be different from what some of my friends have. i just wanted the blow the socks off of this one guy that says he has the fastest nitro car in my area.



JRexA -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 9:02:06 PM)

Turbo or Superchargers/Compressors are fine on 4 stroke engines, but mostly worthless on 2 stroke model engines.



turboednitro -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 9:24:09 PM)

ok i found the car i want and its a HPI RTR3 EVO RS4. my friend said he would help me with mods if i needed any help



125cchyperman -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/13/2006 9:32:39 PM)

If you want to blow his socks off see what kind of car he is using.Then you can get the same car he has, then you can basically just one up him from there. If he has a .18 cvr then get the .18tz. If thats makes any sence to you. But for speed you will need a high reving high horse powered engine. But it all depends on what he has and how much money you are willing to spend. I know you said that your willing to spend a 1000 on this thing and depending on what he has you very well might have to just to catch him let alone pass him. But who knoes he might just have the most basic of setupp's and it might not take a whole lot to blow him away.



hpi apollo -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (8/14/2006 3:18:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: turboednitro

ok i understand what you guys are saying i just thought that something supercharged or turboed would be different from what some of my friends have. i just wanted the blow the socks off of this one guy that says he has the fastest nitro car in my area.


im gunna put this plain and simple....

noobs cant handle the power of high horsepower engines, and they cant drive them as well as they think they can, that aside....

you HAVE to learn to tune (where most fo the power can come from) remember a bigger engine or a better engine is worthless unless you know how to fine tune it, its not as asimple as you think either, the only way to get good is lots of practice, you prolly wont get very good until about your 2nd-3rd gallon of running

superchargers are a complete waste, if everyone is telling you not to get them there must be a valid reason why, and there is, its all show, and you can set yourself apart not by having a turbo'd or supercharged car, but by better driving and tuning skills

find out what car he has, and what engine, an RS4 like you want is a good car but the T-15 engine that comes with the rtr version isnt a good engine if you wunna beat someone, a great engine is an OS 18 cv-r (easy to tune for noobs, generally controllable power) and once you get better at tuning you can get an 18tz, both dont rev as high as the 18ss which would be your best choice for top speed and general power

you wont become the best/fastest drive overnight, it takes a while, and for better performance, get a good tuned pipe and high nitro, that will make way more power than any stupid supercharger



axisrc -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/3/2006 4:35:48 PM)

u guys think just because people are new to nitro there noobs your redarted really bout two years ago i really got into nitro and i hav a duratrax axis and that thing can do 40 mph easy if i had more money when i got in to nitro i would hav got a ofna or something but there two much i didnt hav enough money so just leave noobs alone dudes some people are really good when there noobs and some people arent you can get turbos off of http://www.rbinnovations.com/ and u can get cold air intakes lots of power

ok



125cchyperman -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/3/2006 9:04:56 PM)

Even though this thread is as old as the sun is. I will still reply.


Umm did a search and didnt find a turbo on there at all. I know that they make superchargers but not turbo's. Forced indusction does not work for these 2 strokes. The forced fuel/air mixture just simply exit's the exhaust port and does not return. It's that simple. The only 2 stroke that they work on is the diesel marine 2 stroke which is totally different then these 2 strokes, as they have a exhaust valve and not a exhaust port. I doesnt work thats why if you go on BBB (bureau of better bussiness) and do a search you will find a ton of or used to be able to find a ton of complaints against RB innovations. The number of complaints against them will suggest that they dont work.



axisrc -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/4/2006 4:18:55 PM)

sorry i mean superchargers and yes they do work and superchargers do not force air turbos do. if there is companits should i not get a cold air intake.
mike



axisrc -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/4/2006 4:26:00 PM)

and i just went to bbb.org and didnt find any thing on turbos only car turbos



snowbl!nd -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/4/2006 5:15:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: turboednitro

i want it to be fast really fast so give me some help


Do you want a car that runs well and will beat the socks off everything you come up against, or just something which sounds good (ooh look it's got a supercharger etc) and looks a little special?

Stop wasting your time looking at superchargers, turbos and cold air intakes. They are a complete waste of money. People aren't telling you they don't work to trick you - they're trying to stop you making an expensive mistake that you'll regret.

Get a decent engine and a tuned pipe to match. It'll be cheaper, faster, more reliable and even handle better than a car with a supercharger/nos/turbo/cold air intake.



Igotntc3andrevo -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/4/2006 6:51:23 PM)

HpiApollo did you seriously say this
quote:

a great engine is an OS 18 cv-r (easy to tune for noobs, generally controllable power) and once you get better at tuning you can get an 18tz, both dont rev as high as the 18ss which would be your best choice for top speed and general power


Do you really think that the .18ss has more power than the o.s tz.



125cchyperman -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/4/2006 6:58:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: axisrc

sorry i mean superchargers and yes they do work and superchargers do not force air turbos do.



I meant look at the super chargers from rb innovations on BBB and there you will find complaints about them or atleast you use to be able to. From what I know no one makes turbo's for these engine's. There a guy on here that was making one but I dont know weather he ever got around to it or not. But superchargers force air into the engine the same as a turbo does. The only difference is in how they are driven, the turbo's are driven from the exhaust gases that pass through a turbin. That exhaust gases then spool up the compressor which is connect to another similar compressor that forces air into the engine. A supercharger is driven by a belt that runs off of the crank shaft. Now there are several types of superchargers, Like a cenerfugal or a roots supercharger. But anyways they both work the same way and do the same thing. The only difference is how they are driven.

So if your saying that a super charger does not work then your basically saying that a turbo does not work either.



46u -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/5/2006 5:34:27 PM)

125cchyperman I agree 110% with you and some other people are very misinformed. They need to do some research before voicing an opinion. Forced air is does not work very well at all on the engines we run buy a better engine and you will come out much better.



supertib -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/6/2006 8:08:59 PM)

guys a supercharger will work on a piston port 2 stroke.... you dumbasses need to understand how a 2 stroke works before you voice an opinion LOL.... when the crank intake is open the piston is blocking the sleeve ports, and when the sleeve ports are open the crank port is closed...they are not open simutaniously LOL



axisrc -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/6/2006 8:50:51 PM)

thanks supertib your right a supercharger will work and it will upgrade the engine a lot nobody listens to what we say they are wrong really wrong. off of http://www.rbinnovations.com/ they sell dat crap but not turbos were can u get those. i want to get a hotbodies .26 power house engine for my duratrax axis will i want to get a cold air intake will dat help or not im not really sure they all say that it works and helps the engine but im not sure. do u know if the .26 power house will work on my axis im also not sure on that.
thanks mike



axisrc -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/6/2006 9:09:20 PM)

125 what turbos do is this the engine burns gases and then goes to the exhaust then it goes to a little valve from the exhaust then it goes to the turbo which forces air to the intake then it speeds up the engine because it has burned gases alrealy so ya this is how turbos work. your some what right on superchagers but they are not the same in anyway they are driven off the belt off the crankshaft but what a superchager is that the air gets sucked in into the intake.
mike


i love cars



125cchyperman -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/6/2006 9:59:07 PM)

For one thing you should not call any one a "dumbass" I know who 2 stroed work and have been in this hobby for quite a while. I know who turbo's work and I think what you are talking about as a valve is the blow off valve. But anyways The burn gases from the exhaust pushes the compressor impeller. That intern is connetcted to another impeller which forces air into the intake. It still has to suck the air in for it to push the air in. A supercharger as I said a while ago is driven off of a belt that is connected to the crankshaft. It forces air into the intake at higher forces then is capable of a naturally asperated engine.


Believe me I know how turbo's, supercharger, 4 stroke and 2 stroke engine work. But if you know anything about turbo's a turbo is actually named after a supercharger. A turbo's official name is actually a turbo - supercharger. But most just call it a turbo or turbocharger, You can get a supercharger if you want. Nobody here is stoping you here, but if you want to spend the $130 or more for a piece of crap that doesnt give you any power the go ahead. If it work then how comes pro drivers dont use them in races, and how comes they are not more common. Believe me these superchargers have been out for a very long time (at least 6 years if not more) and if they workes so many people would be using them. But instead the people that have been in this hobby for long enough and want to get more power just get a tuned pipe or a larger engine or port there engine's.

If you want to sit here and argue with me thats fine but do not say that I dont know how these 2 stroke engine work or how turbo's or superchargers work. But thats fine if you want to waist your money thats fine. I'm here just trying to save you that money and if you want to waist it then go ahead.

But please dont be calling peole names and such supertib



supertib -> RE: were to find a turbo or supercharger kit (10/6/2006 11:38:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: 125cchyperman

For one thing you should not call any one a "dumbass" I know who 2 stroed work and have been in this hobby for quite a while. I know who turbo's work and I think what you are talking about as a valve is the blow off valve. But anyways The burn gases from the exhaust pushes the compressor impeller. That intern is connetcted to another impeller which forces air into the intake. It still has to suck the air in for it to push the air in. A supercharger as I said a while ago is driven off of a belt that is connected to the crankshaft. It forces air into the intake at higher forces then is capable of a naturally asperated engine.


Believe me I know how turbo's, supercharger, 4 stroke and 2 stroke engine work. But if you know anything about turbo's a turbo is actually named after a supercharger. A turbo's official name is actually a turbo - supercharger. But most just call it a turbo or turbocharger, You can get a supercharger if you want. Nobody here is stoping you here, but if you want to spend the $130 or more for a piece of crap that doesnt give you any power the go ahead. If it work then how comes pro drivers dont use them in races, and how comes they are not more common. Believe me these superchargers have been out for a very long time (at least 6 years if not more) and if they workes so many people would be using them. But instead the people that have been in this hobby for long enough and want to get more power just get a tuned pipe or a larger engine or port there engine's.

If you want to sit here and argue with me thats fine but do not say that I dont know how these 2 stroke engine work or how turbo's or superchargers work. But thats fine if you want to waist your money thats fine. I'm here just trying to save you that money and if you want to waist it then go ahead.

But please dont be calling peole names and such supertib



hey I port and polish engines, and I understand them very well.... heres a vid of some of my engines in action...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=976134824816397677

People say a supercdharger wont work in a Nitro engine as all the boost will just blow right thru the engine because it has no valves... But what people dont realise is that there are actualy 2 different valve sytems in a piston port 2 stroke... The crank window is a valve and the piston itself acts as a valve...when the crank window is open the piston face actualy covers the sleeve ports and when the piston is pushed down the crank window is actualy closed, they both are not open at the same time or else every time the piston was pushed down all the fuel would squirt out the carb..... Step one the engine fires and the piston drops, pressurizing the crank case and forcing the mixture into the sleeve,at this time the crank window is closed, step 2 the piston raises, creating low pressure in the crank case, the crank window opens, drawing mixture into the crank case, at this time the piston itself blocks the sleeve ports...if it didn't block the sleeve ports the crank case would create no vacume....... So you see boosting a 2 stroke works as you just increase the air pressure outside the carb......



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