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tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/10/2007 6:22 PM)

The centre of gravity is slightly forward straight from the box (weight forward), the main way of trimming for flight is by mving weight forward or back. If it needs to go back you can move th battery as far back as the bulkhead (circuit board). If the nose dives after launch move it back slightly, if it stalls move it slightly forward until you find the ideal glide. Only testing will find the right "spot". [:D][8D]




toka519 -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/11/2007 2:56 PM)

is it better to hand launch or ground take off
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tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/11/2007 5:05 PM)

I would love to ground launch (ROG) but the bird is heavy and you'll need a long run at it, I wouldn't dream of it on grass - I usually use a shale soccer pitch or disused road near me. With a hand launch you can "feel" the wind for launch at right time and get the right angle - saves battery power as well! Hope this helps[:D][:)]
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deegazoid -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/14/2007 7:00 PM)

Hey.

I just tried flying a new Aerobird Swift yesterday. Big problem - it won't lift off the ground. I'm flying off an abandoned asphalt runway. Full throttle, stick full back, and the plane just rolled down the runway at full speed never leaving the ground. Does anyone have a suggestion. I called tech support and they told me to move the pushrods down a few holes on the control horns for more throw and told me to play around with the two thumbscrews on the aft end under the tail section.

Help!

Thanks,

Gregg




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/14/2007 10:01 PM)

Welcome to the club - your not alone! My personal advice is: Move battery as far back as you can, even try a Challenger prop if you can find one, use level 2 switch on TX (last resort), But the big one is - make sure battery fully charged (can't stress this enough). Even with all these tried it might not ROG so then remove wheels (extra weight) and launch into wind, very firmly. Basically, the swift is tough, but heavy. Six months down the road if you're still struggling, don't throw it in the bin (not eco friendly!!) install b/less and/or lipo. Both have been done with success but first try the suggestions. If you get a chance take a look at ronrico vid (stock bird) and ask JohnCunningham or swift427 for advice, both knowledgeable guys. Hope this points you in right direction - now I'm off to fly my 3 Strykers and Mr Zagi to infinity and beyond!!




deegazoid -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/15/2007 12:00 AM)

Thanks,

I'll give it all a try.

Gregg




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/15/2007 12:44 AM)

Hi again Greg! Hope it works - have you done any of the mods to plane yet or is it too early? Do you dismantle plane to get to site or just put it into car? If you take wings off be careful you don't let servo wires pop back into fuse - its a bugger to fish them out - to stop this happening put elastic bands round connectors and fasten something larger than hole to ends of bands. Other tip: if you unscrew small screws in bottom of fuse for access replace them with cup hanger style screws same thread (you can undo in seconds without losing screws!!). Make sure wings are a tight fit in fuse, as they can be a sloppy fit - use packing tape etc. If both ailerons stop working its the connector on circuit board come off or loose (looking to tail from front its the black one on left) - fishing time again. just tips, now go and enjoy[:D][8D][;)] What other planes do you have/had?[:D]




sklab -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/15/2007 2:43 PM)

Hi all, first time flyer, starting with Arobird swift, hobby shop owner helping with training. But not getting enough flying time, living on south coast can be very windy.
JohnPCunningham on theRX board the first 4 pins belong to export the next 4sets of3pins are control outlets then 3sets dont know, but what are the last set of 4 pins for ?.
This RC flying can be a bit of a bug but a nice bug to be bitten by, hope you can help thanks





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tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/15/2007 5:39 PM)

Hi SKLab, can't help you myself with this prob - totaly dinosaur with electrics. John or swift427 will see you right. Scan the threads and I think there's one under "Park Fliers..." called something like "Hobbyzone, Parkzone electrics in detail etc" - John's got a couple of posts on it, very informative [:)]
Something to make you feel at home - try the "Australian thread......" - there's a few good guys there (Inflex, Ozrcboy, Clovus, Maiden Crash and the man Crawf). Awesome vids, all electric, lots of info and they're awake when you are. I'm never off it cos I'm insomniac. Some of them meet up to fly (Melbourne, Perth, Bundy Rum Country etc) - you got to check it out - tell them I sent you[:D]




sklab -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/15/2007 11:28 PM)

Thanks Tam, will look up those threads




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/17/2007 5:28 PM)

Sklab - can you send me a tester asap cos I think I have problem with my e-mail. And don't shoot too many Kanga's today, mate[:D][8D]




sklab -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/17/2007 6:19 PM)

Got out for first flight in 2.5 weeks loverly evening 2nites ago , heavy storms tonite to much thunder lightning,tomorrow and weekend should be good,




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/18/2007 6:16 AM)

Yeah, got that! It seems the thread isn't letting me know I've had mail (I hate new technology)[>:][>:] Did you find that Aus thread? One of the guys is a LHS shop owner and one has a great website (ozrcboy = www.ozrcboy.com????) On one of the threads an "epert" said that thedesign of the sift is all wrong - low wing, ailerons, heavy, no rudder, poor angle of attack (wing section). Got to agree with him I'm afraid, he reckons it is underpowered (Yep!!). Anyway, I'm off to fly it now!![:D][:)]




deegazoid -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/19/2007 3:37 AM)

Yep - found the problem. The CG was so far forward that when I lifted the plane by the wingtips, it rolled forward right onto the floor. Added weight to the tail to center the CG about 1/3 from the leading edge. Works great now!

Thanks,

Gregg




deegazoid -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/19/2007 5:38 AM)

Other planes and the like that I've had.

Well, I bought my first model airplane in 1976 - control line models that spun you around in circles until you puked your guts out. There were many types of RC gadgets out then. One was called "The Galloping Ghost". Some were simple solenoids that pulled a rudder or elevator FULL position - you pilot the plane by ever-so-carefully hitting the buttons to control the rudder or elevator.

Then came the first of the "Proportional" radio control sets. My first one was made by a now defunct company called Centari. The servo's were about 3" long, about 1.5" tall and about 1" wide. They moved really slow, got really warm to the touch, and ate nicad batteries like a fat kid eating fudge bars.

Later I worked for the hobby shop that sold all this stuff and I could get my hands on things really cheap. Over time, technology shrank the servos, receivers and power requirements, while increasing their strength.

I really only bought and built about 10 kits over my life time. I've owned a couple of RC helicopters. The first ones were so hard to fly that every landing ended up with me borrowing my friend's machine shop and building new parts. Again, good ol' technology got rid of the messy gas engines and replaced them with super strong neo-motors. (I hated cleaning off all the exhaust sludge from a day's worth of flying - electric is great).

I'm an engineer, and really got into building exotic inventions to fly. Most of the stuff I designed was based around the idea of a hovering takeoff and landing while converting to a conventional airplane later in flight. Hovercrafts, RC model rockets (really if not impossible to control), flying disks and all that. Had fun. Just ran out of time and money when I got married.

Now I fly a helicopter (full scale) that I designed a few years ago. I'm still scared to death every time I fire it up, and I can't get any sane rotor-head to try flying the thing. The controls are based on a guy's design from the 40's - Arthur Young. His original control scheme never used rudder pedals or a collective stick - just something like a motorcycle handlebar setup. I think there's a guy out there building a thing called a "Roto-Scooter" using Young's control system. However, this guy is using twin opposing rotors and a rudder for yaw, where I'm actually using collective pitch and a tail rotor. I think he's just upgraded a Benson helicopter design that was around in the early 1960's.

I'm working about 3000 miles from home for the next 2 years and living in an apartment the size of a shoebox. I just wanted something to play around with and bought my Aerobird Swift to just tinker with. I was like a little kid the first day that it wouldn't fly. I called the guys at Hobby Zone and they said they could only send a replacement not a different plane. What? Why would I want another land-skimmer. It had been so long since I dealt with any fixed-wing stuff that I totally forgot about the CG (I was assuming that a "Ready to Fly" plane is just that - ready to fly - just charge it up and go). You have the same problem with helicopters, and it's a similar fix. Just hold the outer blade tips, lift up the copter, and see how level the fuselage is (only on model copters of course).

Anyway - when I go home in a few months I'll grab some pictures and video of some of my flying contraptions (the "before and after" videos are the best). I the web site still exists by then, I'll post the stuff on YouTube.

Later,

Gregg




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/19/2007 11:34 AM)

Thats a great reply, thanks!! I'm a bit like yourself in some respects, I like/try to innovate and understand exactly what makes flight and how we can improve (otherwse we'd all be still flying rubber planes)! I still have this aversion to adding weight to a plane, its hard enough to build down to a weight! Did you try moving the battery back, how do you hold battery in etc. A good method is to put velcro strip on bottom on battery and holding strip on inside of fuse bottom, and somehow a strong elastic band just to stop ejection in inverted flight (you'll be lucky!!!) I can actually see in the coming months ripping out the circuit board and etc and instaling a new RX for b/less and lipo but keeping plane and servos intact. Worked it out that Hyperion motor best (straight fit thru a hatch in top of fuse) and this will give about 30oz thrust with lipo or 9 cell Nimh - the constraint is the size of prop cos of fusetube. It will happen but got to standardise my hangar - swift, me262, zagi, 3 strykers, home designed pusher slow fly and a Beaver on order. Got to go, buiding to do. catch you later. [:D][;)]




johnpcunningham -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/19/2007 6:40 PM)

I'm not sure about the other connections, but my hunch is that it follows a standard flow for a 6 channel radio. The ZX10 radios that Parkzone is shipping looks like they smartly and purposely designed the electronics for future groth in their plane lineup, and when they add more channels. Starting at the top, I believe the 3 pins connections are as follows.

THR
AIELERONS
ELEVATOR
RUDDER
GEAR
AUX

XPORT - 4 pin

JC




Athol -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/22/2007 7:20 AM)

Just purchased a Swift ready-to-fly, and this elderly father/son pair set off last weekend to try it all out. We are rank newcomers to the hobby, and were probably over-ambitious in buying the Swift anyway. Found a cricket ground with an artificial turf wicket (22 yards) and tried desperately to get the beast aloft. Hand-launching merely arced it into the ground. FINALLY, after the plane screwing around to the right (yes, we set the control surfaces to zero, centred all the transmitter controls) up it went from the pitch like a drunken bee, using full up elevator. Got it to bank around, still climbing, but over-heavy use of controls no doubt were responsible for the corkscrews which followed. Finally it headed down, not like a lawn dart, more like a shot duck. Very hard crash snapped the left wing right through, did funny things to the wing spar holes, and put amusing stress patterns elsewhere in the plastic wing coverings. We have hot-glued the wing ( not quite the same camber on both sides now) and are repairing the spar holes using bits of stiff plastic off an old kodakrome slide box. I think we need to crawl a little before we fly further,and get a simulator which will work from our ParkZone 5-AP. Can anyone recommend a suitable simulator? Presumably PArkZone sell a connector?

Anyway, it looks something like it did before crashing, and we are not giving up yet! Per ardua ad astra is our motto. Pardon any typos - my thumb is still not working properly after meeting the prop at full speed in an engine run-up.

Athol




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/22/2007 11:22 AM)

Hiya guys! don't feel bad about what happened cos almost everyone who posts here has had same problems with Swift[>:] This is going to be a long one: Good points: Its H/zone so parts/advice is good, its tough and repairable (it has to be!!). It will fly (see Ronrico418's vid of stock plane maiden flight). Not so good: Heavy[:o], not a lot of lift from wings, wings set low not high (High is good for trainers - more lift etc). Ailerons not adviseable for newbies although you might get used to them quickly (depends on learning curve). Need a long runway (Sydney airport?) to get ROG's (hand launch better if on grass). There are more but lets be positive and I want to make it clear (Mr Moderator) that these are only personal views!![&o]
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Wot can you do: Adjust trim, check manual settings and read from front to back.[&o] Get the weight (battery) as far back as you can and use velcro to fix (strip on bottom battery, strip bottom of fuse inside) - stops ejection at speed. Read about the mods to wing to stop the servo wires popping back into fuse (elastic bands etc) or you'll have to start fishing. Do you drive to site - if you do don't remove wings just pop bird into car unless its a Ferrari!! Make sure wings are tight in fuse (they can be sloppy fit) by using tape wrapped around wings and push fit. if you ever have to take 4 tiny screws out of bottom of fuse replace with "cup hanger" type so you don't lose them or need s/driver at field. There re more but Its making me tired!!
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Last point; Welcome: You will find all the info you need And here on this w/site no matter what advice you want or the planes you fly. And there is an invaluable site for our Aussie cousins under "Park Flers etc.." called "The Australian.... thread etc" There are some living near you and they are awake when you are - not silly times like the rest of the world!! [:D] Cos I'm insomniac I'm always on it as you'll see this 55-y-old retiree gets lots of advice! See you there[8|][8D][:D]




Athol -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/23/2007 5:31 AM)

Thanks, tp. Yes, we have encountered the loss of wing servo wires into the fuselage, but can't see how you can keep the connector outside the body, given the small space for the wings to fit into. I suppose the connectors HAVE to go inside. What does the rubber band do to fix this? Also, does anyone recommend taping the wind edges, as has been suggested for other trainers flown by mugs like me? Seems to me it would add weight to an already heavyish aircraft.




deegazoid -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/23/2007 7:10 AM)

Went to the local machine shop and started making steel rods that fit into the tail boom. Had to notch the metal for the antenna wire, but changed my mind and ran the antenna wire right out of the fuselage and to the tail (didn't want to mess up the freq length of the receiver antenna). Ended up with about a 4.5" piece of steel rod slid into the rear of the boom. Popped the little plastic cap back on so it looked good. The tail is a bit wobbly now, but I can't tell a thing when flying. Fixing the wobble this weekend by replacing the plastic boom with an aluminum tube.

Ready To Fly = RTF = Really Tough to Fly

I'll keep you posted.

Gregg August





tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/23/2007 10:12 AM)

Hiya Athol! if you take the wing out of fuse (slowly!) you'll see the connector. Disconnect, pull wing away whilst holding fuse connector. Slip a strongish elastic band over connector and tie a knot in it so band won't come off. Slip something (curtain ring, something larger than hole) over other end of band and secure - this way the connector won't pop back in whilst wing is disconnected. Attach wing later but leave band on. If it DOES pop back in at least you can fish with piece of hooked wire for band and pull out. Phew, I hope that makes sense!! [:D] Tape: you're right, tape can be heavy. I just use it when I get a ding in wing foam to smooth out airlow and increase strength in that area.
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My plane: Going full mod on it. Taking out motor, circuit board (including the esc etc). Cutting hatch above engine area to release old brushed motor and put in b/less Hyperion 1913 6-pole (great motor!) - mounting holes exactly same. Fitting a new 6-channel RX (E-flite) and b/less esc (Tower Pro 30A). The plane will fly on my big 10.8V 1000Mah NimH batteries or my 2100Mah Lipos from Stryker and Zagi. It keeps the wing and elevator servos intact. All the old stuff will go in my new GWS Beaver. Total cost: £50 all-in. But I don't have to spend money on Beaver parts so Real cost to me £25-£35. Not bad for a plane that will move like my wife at the sales!!!




tam popo -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/23/2007 10:22 AM)

DGZoid - Did you break your boom? How did you get the old one released - I've tried on mine but it's solid (undid the only small screw as well). Have you got any old fishing rods you can use? The blanks from these are great for booms and strengthening mods. You can buy blanks from local fishing shop (LFS not LHS!!). Hope you get it sorted. Anyway, I might go quiet on these pages for 2 weeks (Hurrrraaayy!!!) cos I'm off to Espana por favor mi amigos - been warned by wifey no flying (not even a PicooZ or Silvalit!![>:].
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Athol -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/23/2007 12:23 PM)

Thanks again,tp. All clear now - not very impressive designing by the makers!




toka519 -> RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread (5/25/2007 2:57 PM)

so i got my new replacement plane and was a little hesitent about flying "didn't wanna see it crash"[X(]
so finally yesterday i took it out that evening and it flew [:D]Awsome[:D]
I love this plane i think best gall darn plane out there!!!!!!!!!!




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