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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/20/2006 4:28:14 PM   
enufwind



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Status: offline 		Would anyone please be able to tell me what the exact distance between the tail wing screw holes is on the Swift? Is it 50 MM like the Xtreme or 30 MM like the Freedom/Challenger? I've ordered a Swift online but wanted to figure out what spare parts I could make or use from my other Hobbyzone planes. Horizon could only tell me that it looked like the distance between the two screws was somewhere in between 30 and 50 MM but I'd really like to find out for sure.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/25/2006 8:54:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		My friend just tried his Swift and said its great , hes been flying a Challenger and says the Swift is better, no problems at all and hes really pleased. I almost bought one but read that someone who tested said it sucked, my friend says its the best hobbyzone plane ever.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/28/2006 12:25:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got this plane for Xmas and have also been flying a challenger for quite awhile. I'll let ya know after this weekend when I've taken it up.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/28/2006 3:08:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still don't see the reason as to why people need an aileron trainer...I guess I'm just completely turned off by the idea.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/28/2006 4:59:25 AM   
Flyer 1


 

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ORIGINAL: flyingace451

I still don't see the reason as to why people need an aileron trainer...I guess I'm just completely turned off by the idea.

Is that a serious post?
If you've been flying for years using only rudder and elevator, ailerons are a real shock to the system. Add the fact that you'll need to coordinate turns on some planes with rudder and you've got a real learning curve here.
If you've learned from the git-go with ailerons (as I did), I can see how it'd seem a bit nonsensical.
However, the glut of rudder/elevator planes is NOT going anywhere. It's just going to get more and more prevalent as RTFs continue to grow in popularity. Those who learn on these planes NEED training experience. To go from rudder control, where there's a pause, the wing dips, and the plane turns, to ailerons that instantly drop the wing is a monumental change.
Why wouldn't you want an aileron trainer?
Flyer

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/28/2006 9:15:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, got several more days of flying with the Swift. I am getting used to handling it much better. It flies pretty well, it is very critical that all surfaces are aligned exactly correctly. I have flown both on windless days and with some wind, and the plane actually can use some wind for lift. I feel better about the plane than I first did although it is not become a favorite.

I am still not crazy about the wing style, but it does fly, and appears to have decent power. Again they did fix alot of issues with the original EXCELLENT Aerobird Challenger. So it is an improvement. And yes there certainly is a need for a aileron trainer, although I'm not sure this should be it.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 12/30/2006 2:17:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I first flew my Swift in early December after receiving it. Truly it flies like a dream compared to the Zone 1 and 2 aircraft. At 2/3 throttle it will climb into stiff Kansas wind until
you need binoculars to see it. The aileron control provides smooth turns and you can roll into a turn then pull elevators to make it on a dime. The only sour point I've had was when
the battery got low on my last flight. The controls locked and the motor kept running, totally opposite from design logic. 3 days and 3 pounds of wheat field muck on my shoes
later I found the plane 1/4 mile away. Has anyone else had this problem? I'm leaning toward it being associated to the extra battery I was given,but until the weather improves
no further testing. Will keep in touch.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/1/2007 6:35:23 AM   
tOtalHeliFreak


 

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Status: offline 		i love this plane ive had it for only 2 days and flown it many times. i found it really easy to fly but when i attempted to do a roll i almost nose dived it great for beginners though!

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/2/2007 12:26:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Swift will do quite a few tricks, Just do it with some Altitude! When doing barrel rolls apply up elevator. Best done into the wind with the throttle kicked up. I have been trying
to figure out how to roll it tighter by doing down and up elevator during the roll but haven't gotten much cooperation from my fingers. Immelmanns are fun also. Have fun dude!

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/3/2007 1:05:46 AM   
lawndart63



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Status: offline 		In answer to your question, approx 1-5/32" between the screw holes for the v-stab of the Swift. Metric? Are you a Canook disguising himself
as a Coloradan?
For all Swifties I received a reply from Hobbyzone IRT my battery shutdown failure. They're saying it maybe the receiver, more to follow.
Also if you have this type occurrence don't fly the model again as the Warranty won't cover it, "If it survived the first round".

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/4/2007 2:28:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello all,
I'm new to flying RC electric, or flying period. I bought a Harbor Freight Yellow Bee several weeks before Christmas and promptly lost it on the first battery charge and third toss into the air. I was thrilled to get it flying and didn't have a clue about keeping it upwind. Not to be discouraged, I bought another and found a better place to fly it. Again, on the first toss I had misfortune. I flew it into the scoreboard where I was flying. After repairing the broken wing with Dollar General wide cellophane tape, I had the most fun I've experienced for a good while. I was able to land the Yellow Bee without mishap! I probably have 3 hours airtime with this simple plane and am fairly confident flying it. The only control for this craft is variable prop speed for both motors at once, and steering is accomplished by one prop spinning faster than the other. My son bought one (Yellow Bee) and we have had a blast. Last weekend he bought an Aerobird Extreme and was able to do loops. I flew it for about 4 minutes without trying anything tricky and decided to get a bigger plane as well.

The reason for this post is to ask advice. I just bought an Aerobird Swift and would appreciate comments like the profound:

"Posted by maiden-crash

I have to agree chief illini here it is best to start with rudder elevator and throttle. To control by aileron means that the plane keeps rolling until you tell it to stop, and it does it quicker than you may expect. Thats why if you have no experience in planes they are very easily overcontrolled whereas with rudder it pushes the plane sideways instead. Aileron in most cases doesnt even turn the plane, it simply rolls it and you have to add in rudder or elevator to turn it."

I hope to get the Swift via Fed Ex this Friday and get it into the air Saturday. My son is already talking about the combat module and an air battle. He seems to have keener instincts than I do for flying, and I would welcome comments from those of you who know both planes characteristics.

"What is a "tip stall" or "snap"?

Thanks in advance,

ZDave

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/5/2007 2:30:57 AM   
Bigguz


 

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Status: offline 		Well, enjoy your swift and good luck! My friends and I still fly our Challengers with the combat module and its pretty fun. As far as the swift goes for me, I flew it for the first time last weekend and found it to be very stable. Someone earlier mentioned its a tad underpowered and I would have to agree though I'd like to try it with a LiPo battery or or the upgrade battery. Handles really great. Now, the bad news: The throttle knob snapped clean off on the second flight so...Guess I'm grounded til I get a reply from the maufacturer on a replacement. But other then that I'm pretty happy with it. This plane appears to be more accessible for hop-ups the previous hobbyzone planes.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/6/2007 5:59:34 PM   
Bigguz


 

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Status: offline 		Called horizon about the TX and they sent a new one. Fast service.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/7/2007 2:51:57 AM   
karatepig


 

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Status: offline 		response to ZDave's post. I must say that I have never heard of a tip stall myself, but I can tell you what a stall is. It is when your airspeed gets so low, that your plane no longer has ENOUGH airspeed to keep moving, so the heaviest part of your plane (the front) falls down at a steep angle, and unless you have enough altitude, there goes your plane. Also, I must give you som advice, and you will be spared alot of crashes if you heed it. One, when you have a plane that steers with the motors you have to (for the most part) hold the stick all the way over, and hold it till it has gotten to where you want it. THIS IS NOT HOW AILRONS WORK!!!!!
fOR YOUR FIRST FLIGHTS YOU SHOULD MOVE THE STICK SLOWLY UNTIL THE PLANE ACHIEVES ABOUT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE, THEN APPLY A LITTLE BIT OF UP ELEVATOR, WHICH YOU WILL JUST HOLD UNTIL THE PLANE TURNS.ANOTHER THING THAT IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT!!! DO NOT CROSSCONTROL!!!!! This simply means
that you need to remember that when you move the stick to the right/left, you are moving to the planes right/left. A good thing to do is put diferent colored tape on the wings(ie green is right,purple is left). Also keep your altitude high until you are very comfortable with the plane.

GOT PLANES?

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