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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/15/2008 4:06:43 AM   
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You will need to change your ESC. You can not put a brushless motor into the Swift with the stock ESC. Brushed motors use 2 wires, brushless use 3. So basically you will also need to change the RX as the RX and ESC are all on the one board in the swift.

I did it.. and its no problem. You need to leave the plastic mount in the plane as it holds the rear servo... but that's OK.

good luck

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/15/2008 4:37:36 AM   
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Receiver of Swift supports standard ESC so all you need to add is brushless ESC and brushless motor.


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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/15/2008 2:15:57 PM   
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Zeta I see you online ...jejeje
SO I have to spend like 100 dollars in ESC, RX, and batty? I think tmy SWIFT dont deserve to spend so much money on it. it have being a bad guy last year so Santa will not bring she new electronics.

today I crash my Phantom again. I was trying to do a roll with the rudder. and when I was inverted I got confuse and instead of pulling up to complete the roll I pull it down directli to a nosedive at full thruttle to ground. nothing happend to nose but tail boom break into 2 parts. today I was flying with a new prop I buy yesturday. and was way much faster. faster than any oher plane I have. as I tell you guys before my Phantom is one of my favorite planes in my hangar. is the smaller one and the faster is incredible how fast that tiny thing can fly. I think i will go buy another one. I just love that tiny fats plane to fly in the park next street.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/15/2008 2:33:15 PM   
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I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about this one

http://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5203

Well, I'm off to work now...

Let us know what motor you decide on and how it works, I'll do the same.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/15/2008 10:58:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zeta30

I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about this one

http://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5203

Well, I'm off to work now...

Let us know what motor you decide on and how it works, I'll do the same.


Just make sure it will fit!!

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/17/2008 4:28:02 AM   
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Guys, this is off-topic but I wanted to share what one of the guys at work put together from foam take-out containers and tape, I just heard about it today. Check out some of the other videos at the flyingpuppets site. Amazing stuff.

http://khk.net/wordpress/2007/11/17/foamtape-cub-pictures/
http://khk.net/wordpress/2007/11/17/first-test/
http://khk.net/wordpress/2007/11/11/can-takeout-containers-fly/

And this is the site with the plans (my video is currently featured on the front page):
http://flyingpuppets.org/

Dax, If you check out the video you'll see the field I go to fly at where I work. As for converting the Swift to brushless, if you read back through this there is lots of good advice. I checked out the Dynam Focus 400ep you picked up, looks like a decent plane and a great deal. Have you flown it much?

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/20/2008 8:56:19 PM   
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This year end GOOD Report by DaxFX was an encouragement for flying the SWIFT into a New Year.

quote:

DaxFX -12/29/07 - (edited)
Yeah Baby !!!!!

Remember that I never was able to get my SWIFT airborne . I was forever saying that SWIFT is a crappy plane and all that stuff that it’s underpowered. You Know what? I Was Wrong..... today I take out the dust from SWIFT and I tell myself before do the transformation to a COMMANDER that I need to try last time with ailerons.. WOW !!!! AWESOME. I just don’t follow any of the advice I got here and just follow my RC pilot instinct. I always try with hand launch which ends in a wing stall. Everybody tells me not to takeoff from ground. So the first thing I do was takeoff from ground that way I can lift with more speed than a hand launch so a wing stall will not occur. That thing went like a bullet from ground and takeoff was very stable. The key is to let her have good speed before applying elevator, then at the moment you apply a little input on elevator it will shoot into the air.

This plane is well powered with stock battery. I think all the people that said that this plane is underpowered just does not know how to handle this plane or they are beginner and think this is a Super CUB. I bought this plane when I was novice and was about to stop using it, but now that I’m more experienced and know lots of thing that I didn’t before I now know how to control this plane. Now I think she has very good power. I was able to do inside and outside loops, almost vertical climb. When inverted I can climb to recover. YEAH Baby !!!!!! today was an adrenaline rush.

I can’t wait for tomorrow morning to burn 4 more batteries. I use all 4 batteries today and the only mayor problem but not big thing was landing. Most of you know that I fly on a small leaque baseball field and almost all my planes like Supercub need to come down in circle and land in circle so with Swift it was a little difficult and because no rudder I can not make sharp turns when slow and near ground. So I have to practice a little more how to land in this small field.

AWESOME I LOVE MY SWIFT. !!!!


quote:

DaxFX – 1/9/08 - (edited)
First learn with the T-28. It’s a much easier flyer like cbatters said, 'Swift is a fast plane and has to be flown fast.' Flying the SWIFT slow will end in some disaster. There are some people that say the SWIFT can Slope very good. I just don’t know—too heavy I think. Many people that are buying the SWIFT are not intermediate to expert pilots they are beginners. This plane is for guys with good flying skills—that’s the reason why they have lots of crashes. They think flying the SWIFT will be like flying a Super CUB. The fact is it's NOT.


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Zeta30 – 1/13/08
Well I flew the Swift today. The motor fried half way through the flight(converted to 11.1v lipo). Too bad too because it was a pretty good flight. I was actually able to bring it down safely just by gliding in.


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DaxFX – 1/14/08 - (edited)
Zeta. if it was only the motor and everything is fine and your Swift is not like most of our Swift that don’t fly. I think you are enjoying yours. So yes go get a new motor. they are cheap. You can get one for 15.00 bucks. For 5 or 10 more you can get a brushless. If you got $25 around in your home without any use BUY IT. I will go brushless.


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DaxFX – 1/15/08 - (edited)
SO, I have to spend like 100 dollars in ESC, RX, and battery? I think my SWIFT don’t deserve so much money spent on it.


quote:

Zeta30 – 1/15/08
I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about--HXT 2835 (380S) 2200kv Brushless Inrunner for $19.95


Zeta30,
It looks like a GOOD fit and the price is right. Did you order it? How long before it's delivered? What lipo battery(dimensions, mAh, and capacity rating) will you use?

DaxFX,
Your post of 12/29 was very encouraging. Yet on 1/15 it sounds like you too are considering a brushless conversion to your Swift if it weren't so costly. Are you no longer as optimistic after filing your flight report of 12/29 when you said, "I can't wait for tomorrow morning to burn 4 more batteries." What happened between then and now???

< Message edited by Swift427 -- 1/20/2008 8:59:52 PM >


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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/21/2008 3:36:59 AM   
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Haven't ordered anything yet. I'm still on the fence on if I'm going to do it or not.

Right now I'm in the process of building a HZ Super Cub for my Dad for his birthday. I converted my SC to run with my DX7 TX so I still have the stock RX and TX. I figure I can build him one for around $60 using my old electronics. When I'm done with that I'll consider the motor for the Swift. I've got plenty of time since the flying days are pretty rare for me right now until the weather gets better.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/21/2008 6:02:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Swift427

This year end GOOD Report by DaxFX was an encouragement for flying the SWIFT into a New Year.

quote:

DaxFX -12/29/07 - (edited)
Yeah Baby !!!!!

Remember that I never was able to get my SWIFT airborne . I was forever saying that SWIFT is a crappy plane and all that stuff that it’s underpowered. You Know what? I Was Wrong..... today I take out the dust from SWIFT and I tell myself before do the transformation to a COMMANDER that I need to try last time with ailerons.. WOW !!!! AWESOME. I just don’t follow any of the advice I got here and just follow my RC pilot instinct. I always try with hand launch which ends in a wing stall. Everybody tells me not to takeoff from ground. So the first thing I do was takeoff from ground that way I can lift with more speed than a hand launch so a wing stall will not occur. That thing went like a bullet from ground and takeoff was very stable. The key is to let her have good speed before applying elevator, then at the moment you apply a little input on elevator it will shoot into the air.

This plane is well powered with stock battery. I think all the people that said that this plane is underpowered just does not know how to handle this plane or they are beginner and think this is a Super CUB. I bought this plane when I was novice and was about to stop using it, but now that I’m more experienced and know lots of thing that I didn’t before I now know how to control this plane. Now I think she has very good power. I was able to do inside and outside loops, almost vertical climb. When inverted I can climb to recover. YEAH Baby !!!!!! today was an adrenaline rush.

I can’t wait for tomorrow morning to burn 4 more batteries. I use all 4 batteries today and the only mayor problem but not big thing was landing. Most of you know that I fly on a small leaque baseball field and almost all my planes like Supercub need to come down in circle and land in circle so with Swift it was a little difficult and because no rudder I can not make sharp turns when slow and near ground. So I have to practice a little more how to land in this small field.

AWESOME I LOVE MY SWIFT. !!!!


quote:

DaxFX – 1/9/08 - (edited)
First learn with the T-28. It’s a much easier flyer like cbatters said, 'Swift is a fast plane and has to be flown fast.' Flying the SWIFT slow will end in some disaster. There are some people that say the SWIFT can Slope very good. I just don’t know—too heavy I think. Many people that are buying the SWIFT are not intermediate to expert pilots they are beginners. This plane is for guys with good flying skills—that’s the reason why they have lots of crashes. They think flying the SWIFT will be like flying a Super CUB. The fact is it's NOT.


quote:

Zeta30 – 1/13/08
Well I flew the Swift today. The motor fried half way through the flight(converted to 11.1v lipo). Too bad too because it was a pretty good flight. I was actually able to bring it down safely just by gliding in.


quote:

DaxFX – 1/14/08 - (edited)
Zeta. if it was only the motor and everything is fine and your Swift is not like most of our Swift that don’t fly. I think you are enjoying yours. So yes go get a new motor. they are cheap. You can get one for 15.00 bucks. For 5 or 10 more you can get a brushless. If you got $25 around in your home without any use BUY IT. I will go brushless.


quote:

DaxFX – 1/15/08 - (edited)
SO, I have to spend like 100 dollars in ESC, RX, and battery? I think my SWIFT don’t deserve so much money spent on it.


quote:

Zeta30 – 1/15/08
I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about I've already got a spare 36amp esc and RX so I just need to decide on a motor. I was thinking about--HXT 2835 (380S) 2200kv Brushless Inrunner for $19.95


Zeta30,
It looks like a GOOD fit and the price is right. Did you order it? How long before it's delivered? What lipo battery(dimensions, mAh, and capacity rating) will you use?

DaxFX,
Your post of 12/29 was very encouraging. Yet on 1/15 it sounds like you too are considering a brushless conversion to your Swift if it weren't so costly. Are you no longer as optimistic after filing your flight report of 12/29 when you said, "I can't wait for tomorrow morning to burn 4 more batteries." What happened between then and now???

you want to listen the truth. that was my only good flew. the next day whe i was going to burn 4 more batties SWIFT start to be a krazy thing droping on wing down all the time and can not roll to other side. I check everithing if you read some after post you will see all that I check and everithing looks normal but when in the air is act very wierd. i crash that day got damage all wings tail and main. what a disaster. i was able to get an exellent adrenaline rush with my swift and able to burn 4 batties only 1 time. that is bad news. my swift is complerte repaired since the first day i buy a second set of wing for spare. and all that damage in that crash got a spare in my closette. so I rebuilded wihout spend money. now is hanging in wall again collecting some dust. i dont want to flew it again since it looks awesome hanging in th wall

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/21/2008 6:12:23 PM   
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i only being thru like 3 or 4 flew on the Focus 400ep. is a blast of plane. very fast and very stable at slow fly. I am not using stock TX I am using my Futaba t6exap and I add the dual rates and can mod the throw separeted on DR the EPA. and few thing more. in high dual rate can do like 2 or 3 rolls per second (120% throw and epa) and in low rates (60%) roll very slow for landing and near ground. I think is not a 3d plane but almost. i was able to hover like 3 seconds befor stall.

exellent plane for 90 bucks. rtf. the tx is crap but RX ,SC, servos, motor (brushless) are exellent quality and are futaba & JR compatible

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/22/2008 8:21:59 PM   
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quote:

The_Mongrel
I did it (convert Swift to brushless) and its no problem. You need to leave the plastic mount in the plane as it holds the rear servo... but that's OK.

Did your Lipo power eventually fry the replacement brushed motor? How many flights and total minutes of flying time do you figure you got on the brushed can motor before you noticed it was loosing power???

Considering the uniqueness of the Swift (?aerodynamic temperment?) do you think it's still better to spend the money to convert to brushless or just convert to Lipo, go easy on the throttle and move on to other planes when the Swift's roller coaster emotional experience is no longer enjoyable.

My question to: cbatters, Mongrel, Zeta30, DaxFX and Fourtypluskid is: Of the handful of RTF aileron planes is there one that stands out as being more user friendly, and what one or two
modification(s) would make the Swift more user friendly.


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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 1/22/2008 9:59:43 PM   
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quote:

My question to: cbatters, Mongrel, Zeta30, DaxFX and Fourtypluskid is: Of the handful of RTF aileron planes is there one that stands out as being more user friendly, and what one or two
modification(s) would make the Swift more user friendly.


I only own 3 planes. HobbyZone Super Cub, Swift and Parkzone T-28 Trojan. Out of those three the Swift is definitely the hardest to fly. I really like my other two planes, (my SC is highly modded, BL Motor, Ailerons...). The Trojan is still stock and a lot of fun to fly. The Trojan has enough power for me right now. It can do an outside loop. I'm still getting used to it and have only flown it about 4 times.

To improve the Swift I would say definitely add more power. It is way underpowered, especially for hand launches. I don't know what can be done to prevent wing stall though. It took me a long time to get it through my head that you need to fly the Swift fast, especially when you make turns. I burned my brushed motor after switching to LiPo's after about 5 flights. If I do get a BL motor for it I will definitely keep everyone posted.

I would say the most user friendly RTF plane is the Hobbyzone SC. There are so many people that buy that plane who say the same thing. A lot of people also say that the Slo-V is very easy to fly, but from watching someone fly theirs at the park, they do not fly well even in a slight breeze. You can't fly the SC in strong winds but at least in 10 maybe 15mph winds. (make sure you keep it up wind from you if flying in any wind).

That's just my two cents worth...

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