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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/5/2008 7:49 AM

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Zete - thats a terrible model - it hasn't got a brushed motor, Nimh 8.4 batteries and doesn't handle like a bag of nails!!!! But I love it. The speed freaks on RCU say the MPX is better $ for $ than the Stryker in all-out speed 'cos the handling is better - I believe......

For other Swift owners who have a dead Swift or want fun (remember that??) take a Stryker body ($35?), make balsa fins and elevons, stick the stock brushed 480 into the rear of Stryker, add the elevons and a V-Tail mixer ($10) and a 1500 3S lipo - stir well, paint to taste, add the PZ/HZ RX and TX......then FLY. I did it and never looked back.
(there might be a few extras like canopy etc but if anyone wants detailed info let me know).

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/5/2008 5:51 PM

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-Will a completely STOCK Aerobird Swift have the power to loop from level flight?

It helps if you use the optional 8 cell 9.6v NiMH.
http://secure.hobbyzone.com/catalog/HZ/hobbyzone_swift/hobbyzone_swift_parts/PKZ1023.html

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For other Swift owners who have a dead Swift or want fun (remember that??) take a Stryker body ($35?), make balsa fins and elevons, stick the stock brushed 480 into the rear of Stryker, add the elevons and a V-Tail mixer ($10) and a 1500 3S lipo - stir well, paint to taste, add the PZ/HZ RX and TX......then FLY. I did it and never looked back.
(there might be a few extras like canopy etc but if anyone wants detailed info let me know).

The bare Stryker fuselage PKZ1267 only costs $19. Foam fins PKZ1220 cost $8. Elevons w/control horns PKZ4233 only cost $4. Fin Retainers PKZ1221 $1.60. Clevis & Pushrods PKZ1218 $2.50. Motor Mount PKZ4234 $5. Complete Hatch Set PKZ4213 $8. Decal Sheet PKZ4203 $6.

What ESC/Rx do you recommend using and what brand/size prop works best with a 3S Lipo?

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/6/2008 1:53 AM

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Swift - thats brilliant, you can now get a Stryker from all the Swift bits and its cheaper than I thought - I knew this hobby was getting cheaper, I'll tell my bank manager!!

I just used the RX and Tx of the Swift to start with, just pull the "lipo bridge" (or whatever its called) and use a 3S lipo - see the instructions (on Web) of page 9 in Spitfire instructions for programming. And contrary to what some people think you can push a 3S thru the Swift ESC and motor - my 480 motor is still going strong!!!! Just ask the SCub guys

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/9/2008 6:51 AM

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ok, so I've got an extra F27c motor and esc. The motor doesn't just drop in so i've got to find a way to make sure it sits tight. This is going to be scary...hopefully fun while I wait on t-28 parts (motor mount)

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/10/2008 5:18 PM

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I just ordered the F27c esc and motor for the swift but will probably buy a F27c body soon as well.

ok, so I've got an extra F27c motor and esc. The motor doesn't just drop in so i've got to find a way to make sure it sits tight. This is going to be scary...hopefully fun while I wait on t-28 parts (motor mount)

I am now putting the Stryker F27c motor and ESC in to see how it works for me. (see photos below for using tiewrap as suggested by aeajr-"I put a tiewrap around the motor to provide some support.") Also works on AB3

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I would not recommend this plane FULL STOP! It is CRAP! When you compare it to what else is available on the market, and the EASE in which they fly, (The CUB or BEAVER as an example), how could anyone recommend this pile of poop!

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hi guys!! back from the dead!! I see that some of you still having problems !! well my Swift is a cool bird that still working exellent and I still having lot of fun with she !!

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hey man I think a good condition motor propertly broke in have exellent power ! I am just on 7 cell and I can fly exellent now just like the hobbyzone vid. at begining I doubt on those vids claim to be all stock but after my wing replacement ! man my swift is a blast .. i got today 2, 8cell 600 mah batteries that i will try out tomorrow. here in Puerto Rico all morning are perfect to fly. I flew 8 days a week (on mornings ,, after 10:00 am just cant)

give a try to that motor you wont lose anithing just by try it. after all my frustration at begining with my swift I never surrender and now is one of my favorite park flyer from my collection (my Dynam Focus still #1)

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hello guys!
its a wile without posting here! so from last time to today I have flew my SWIFT without any more problems! I ordered some 8 cell batteries 1400 mah and she is flying exellent , very satisfied with my swift. after all lost of hope at beggining and change main wing put on 8 cells is a blast I love it. and if it get damage anyhow i will buy another. i got exellent slope with swift and frome time to time some rolls and loops and basics aerobatics. is an exellent hybrid plane slope/stick pusher. with some kind of aerobatic capability !

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look in the sky is superman,,,, no is a bird,, no is my SWIFT...... YEAH baby she flew perfect , some rolls, turn of the motor and she glide like a comet .. perfect landing by gliding down wow I start to love my swift again after 6 month without use ! everithing stock on tenergy 8 cell battery ! at full thrule she start climb a little without elevator (2 clicks on trim and perfect fast forward) , at half thrutle perfect leveled . just like she suppous to be . you can belive me the I forgot to check where was the CG but looks like is perfect balanced..

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/11/2008 12:46 AM

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Swift...

What is the point of your post??

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/12/2008 11:29 PM

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone has replaced the slide poteniometer on the Swift's ZX10 controller? I snapped the actuator off again, Doh!

It happened once before shortly after I got it last year and Horizon replaced it under warranty but I can't quite claim that now. It is a single 3 pin 10K ohm linear poteniometer and I would like to find a replacement that fits in the PC board. Thanks.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/13/2008 8:33 AM

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HI, I'm a newbie, and decided to buy an aerobird swift as my second plane, the first was a very simple twin engined glider very similier to the aerobird's. After my first and second flights ended while trying to land??? but atleast I was able to launch it and keep it up for a while, I decided to borrow a friends flight simulator "TWF Hobby EK2-0905A" Does anyone know where I can download a aerobird swift for this?? Thanks Reuben

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/13/2008 5:19 PM

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The Swift is designed and marketed(Z3) for more experienced pilots. The uniqueness of the Swift can be very frustrating for a beginner. Odds are you'll receive more flying frustration than enjoyment plus the cost of replacing damaged parts and time spent making repairs and/or modifications.

You will have more enjoyment and less expense with a HZ Phantom or an EasyStar. If you have already purchased the Swift I would strongly recommend you return/exchange it and get the 3 channel HZ Phantom or the Aerobird 3 for your journey through the learning curve.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/13/2008 8:03 PM

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Hello, I was wondering if anyone has replaced the slide poteniometer on the Swift's ZX10 controller? It is a single 3 pin 10K ohm linear poteniometer and I would like to find a replacement that fits in the PC board. Thanks.

There are seven soldering points (4 bracket & 3 electrical). I have a bad circuit board with a good slide pot. How do you suggest I melt/liquify all 7 solder points at one time so the slide pot can be removed. If you are that forceful with the pot then you need to resolder all 4 support posts. I won't cut off the four bracket posts (2 on each side).

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/13/2008 8:36 PM

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Swift, Thanks! To pull mine I used a "solder sucker" and a 25W iron with a wedge tip and was able to remove just about all the solder. I then got a small flat tip screw driver and worked it out from side to side by heating the pins to loosen the resisidual solder and gently prying and just move it out slowly. I can pull the throttle slder off the board and send you back the board if that's easier. The solder sucker is the key. If you don't have one and you do any component work on boards I highly recommend getting one.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/13/2008 10:49 PM

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You can have the circuit board too as I don't know which component failed, but first you should call HZ again. They are pretty good about keeping customers happy. They just may extend you another grace or at least a price break on another Z10.

If not then send me a PM with your address and I'll mail it to you.

You've really got to polish up on your Tx deft finesse

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/14/2008 6:07 AM

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Hi Swift427, as I have had 2 crashes (bad landings) I don't think the supplier would like it back...... I can see now that I may have made a bad move, but I will keep with it and fix what breaks untill it won't fly anymore, I have found a aerobird swift that I was able to download on to a flight simulator which I will practise on before my next flight.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/15/2008 2:33 AM

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Swift, well, I gave it a try and called Horizon today but I got no sympathy this time. Oh well, nothing ventured....I do appreciate you letting me pull the thottle from your board. I'll send you a PM with my address now.
I still want to find a part and supplier for the potentiometer just in case it happens again (but I hope not) and when I do I'll post it so if it happens to someone else (which it will) they don't have to drop thirty bucks to replace the whole transmitter. Yes, the throttle can be rigged with a $3 10 K rotary pot from Radio Shack but even I have my limits.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/18/2008 4:59 AM

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The Swift is designed and marketed(Z3) for more experienced pilots. The uniqueness of the Swift can be very frustrating for a beginner. Odds are you'll receive more flying frustration than enjoyment plus the cost of replacing damaged parts and time spent making repairs and/or modifications.

You will have more enjoyment and less expense with a HZ Phantom or an EasyStar. If you have already purchased the Swift I would strongly recommend you return/exchange it and get the 3 channel HZ Phantom or the Aerobird 3 for your journey through the learning curve.

I just purchased a Swift on ebay for (I hope your sitting down) $50!!! I have flown the Aerobird 3 alot and have gotten quite good at it. In addition I have the PZ T-28 Trojan and am getting pretty good (not great but good)at it too. Do you think there will be any issues with trying the Swift now?

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/18/2008 6:39 AM

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Hi, does anyone know or recommend another plane that the swift Rx and servo's could be put in to? when I first purchased it one of the factors was that it had 5 channel re-useable radio gear, I've read back through this thread and have learned that there are empty pins in the RX that I take it are for using a brushless motor? and rudder? I'm just thinking about going to a more conventional trainer (while the swift is still in one peice, and I can always go back to it later) I know that the great planes PT-electric uses a long can motor but I would rather get a RTF, and I'm really only interested in a park flyer, that I can use in the local park. Thanks Reuben

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/18/2008 1:42 PM

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The Swift is designed and marketed(Z3) for more experienced pilots. The uniqueness of the Swift can be very frustrating for a beginner. Odds are you'll receive more flying frustration than enjoyment plus the cost of replacing damaged parts and time spent making repairs and/or modifications.

You will have more enjoyment and less expense with a HZ Phantom or an EasyStar. If you have already purchased the Swift I would strongly recommend you return/exchange it and get the 3 channel HZ Phantom or the Aerobird 3 for your journey through the learning curve.

I just purchased a Swift on ebay for (I hope your sitting down) $50!!! I have flown the Aerobird 3 alot and have gotten quite good at it. In addition I have the PZ T-28 Trojan and am getting pretty good (not great but good)at it too. Do you think there will be any issues with trying the Swift now?

Is there and FMS model out there for the Swift???

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/19/2008 1:42 AM

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Is there and FMS model out there for the Swift???
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Found one for FMS
http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/aerobird-swift.zip
For Clearview
http://gunnerson.homestead.com/files/clearview/Aerobird-Swift.zip

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/19/2008 1:46 AM

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I don't know if youd want too really. The electronics are pretty much designed for the swift and fit right in there. Plus it s a pusher and all. JM2centsW An easy to fly beginner plane is the Slow stick, J3 piper cub or I learned on an Aerobird 3.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/19/2008 4:36 AM

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Hi Ken, the swift has a pusher prop on it so it can be used on a conventional plane with a conventional prop, I like the swift and weather permitting I will fly it again tomorrow, I've spent a lot of time on the FMS simulator, I also downloaded the swift for it, if the sims the same as the real thing then I might stand a chance :-) fingers crossed... if the radio gear is not suitable to change in to another plane then hobbyzone should change the way its marketed as this was one of the main reasons I brought it. Thanks Reuben

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/19/2008 10:10 PM

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Hi Ken, the swift has a pusher prop on it so it can be used on a conventional plane with a conventional prop, I like the swift and weather permitting I will fly it again tomorrow, I've spent a lot of time on the FMS simulator, I also downloaded the swift for it, if the sims the same as the real thing then I might stand a chance :-) fingers crossed... if the radio gear is not suitable to change in to another plane then hobbyzone should change the way its marketed as this was one of the main reasons I brought it. Thanks Reuben

Reuben,
I have flown the SIM version of the Aerobird 3 and the SIM version of the PZ T-28 Trojan and of course the real planes. Those things you always have a perfectly trimmed plane and wind is different in the real world. IMHO it's not the same, but that doesn't mean it isn't helpful. It helps with orientation and such when the plane is coming at you. Ken

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/20/2008 12:25 AM

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Hiya guys - anybody who has a mishap(!!!) or just wants a change from the Swift you have the gear - you just need a new type of plane. All the gear is there, even the stock TX/RX, motor and even the 5-wire servos!! Here's the options:
(1) an F27e Stryker using all the swift gear
(2) a GWS Slow Stick with a new 370 brushed/gearbox
(3) A Multiplex Easystar (the best option) using all the gear, even the 480 motor and maybe a 2S 2000 lipo
(4) H/Zone SuperCub (good)....again, all the gear is there.

As you all know the 480 brushed wil take the 3S power - thats another story though.
And the range of the stock TX and Rx is good enough for all these options.

I know someone will have more ideas (maybe better!!) and some will disagree but I really don't give a monkeys........byeeee......

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/20/2008 2:25 AM

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HI Tam popo, Thanks for the info, The F27e stryker looks impressive.... a bit beyond me right now, I took the swift for its 3rd fly today and had a friend who flys trim it out for me and it flew nice, after going through one 8.4 battery I replaced it with the larger 9.6v but the plane failed to gain height when hand launched and slapped the ground causing the tail to split in two, oh well I've glued it and it should be ready to go later today. I have packed the battery area with computer packing foam and have moved the battery as far back and as low as it can go.We then fired up his petrol trainer and I even had a fly with that. I like the swift and will stick with it but its good to hear the options.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/20/2008 4:29 PM

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TamPopo, I agree, a sim will teach you the orientation but every plane is a little different and takes a few flights to tweak it to fly right. The Swift is not as easy to fly as the T-28 and definitely not as forgiving. As someone in this forum once said: "the name is the Swift and that's the way you have to fly it." or something like that. You need to keep up the speed when turning as this bird's fatal flaw is the tip stall. Make sure you have a new prop too, the stock Swift needs a perfect prop or it will be underpowered and likely crash. The other thing I would warn you about is a weak spot where the wing spar can break the plastic separation on the fuselage. Keep the wings tight and tape them to the fuse. This should keep the wings in place if you crash and cartwheel. So instead of the spar pushing on the plastic and breaking it to the wing servo wire hole the energy gets distributed in the socket the wing slips into.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 7/21/2008 12:26 AM

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Fortyplus - yeah, sims are ok nd what you said about the tip stall is right. I was one of the first (and Swift427) to be on this thread waaay back. Did all those tips and a few more, and eventually went the b/less and 2000 3S route with a little success. But basically, the Swift is a Pig to fly - full stop. You only find this out when you fly other planes and apprciate the fun you have been missing. The Swift is not for beginners, even H/Zone say that......byeee....

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