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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 2/4/2009 8:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		For months I have followed this thread now I wish to comment. I have a Swift that is over a year old, almost two. I had came back into RC after a divorce and some time away. I felt rusty and wanted a sort of trainer. Phoned my order in for an aerobird 3 but the salesman told me how great a swift is so I bought one based on his word..My first Swift was actually quiet nice. Coming from a Nitro background I had no problems flying it. She actually ROG on smooth dirt a few times. A bit tail heavy but I hammered a piece of lead and glued it in the nose. It flew many good flights but eventually became almost impossible to get into the air on a still hot day. Finally one day she made a loop and fell out of the top. Made a figure 9, hit the ground at about a 45% under full but weak power, full up elevators and wings level. The motor was sucked into the fuselage. Since the tail boom had been broken and repaired it held fine. Only the motor mounts were damaged but I thought the motor may be about worn out so I bougth a new fuselage and new prop..The new Swift had about half as much power as the old one. Test proved my 7 cell battery packs were not fully charging. I guess the batteries had aged. Recently after reading on this site that a Swift can handle 11.1 volts I decided to build a new NiMh pack using 9 cells. The extra power is great and IF I had the wheels with me today I believe it would have ROG.. With the extra wieght the plane does not stunt well but flies stable and YES its fast. The landings are HOT.. After a flight with the power wide open the motor had a hot oily smell. I think the wings have a bad designed lift to drag ratio and are not suitable for this plane. The wing chord is simply to narrow and the lenght is to long. I can visualize someone making wider foam wings and fitting them to the wing saddles, making a T tail about 30% area of the wing and the baby should fly well. The wing should be semi semetric and maybe with some end taper. The LD ratio would be good at 5, 5.5 or 6 but no more than that. The moments would need to be shortened. I would move the tail up to where the boom normally breaks. Route the push rods outside the boom similar to the Wing Dragon. For guides use coffee stir sticks tied to the boom with thread fastened with super glue..The electronics from the first Swift have been moved to my Wing Dragon and it fies better. The old Swift motor was ran under water and a drop of 30 wieght non detergent oil placed on the bearings. YES it runs well now. The smell on the motor today may be the bruses. I have not run this motor under water yet. Getting the motor out is the main trouble and when it needs it I will do it. I made my 2 battery packs with batteries I bought off the net. Now I have TWO packs of 9 batteries each and one pack of 10 all for 30 bucks. Someone mentioned the HZ Phantom. It would not be difficult to install a semi air foil wing on that baby and she should fly inverted and even make some rolls. The stock Phantom is fun to fly. I have two and carry one with me at all times. You may loose her in high winds. I recommend you fly up wind and get her down before the batteries dump. My 7 cell HZ charger won't charge my 9 cell pack but I use a cheap 12 volt wall charger rated for 300 Ma. Checking the amps it is charging at about .23 amps. I put my batteries on the charger and keep watch. When the battery warms up about 100 degrees and is just warm to touch, It's done..I have installed an inverter in my truck. I take the wall charger with me to the flying field and use it on they way to top off a battery pack while the other one cools. I have found that the wall charger actually tops off my 7 cell packs too. Once they top off with the HZ charger I place them on the 12 volt wall charger until they get warm. I remove the warm one, add another one and let the warm one cool as I drive. By the time the first one is cool the second is ready to cool and a 3rd one is on the charger. I found that weak batteries cycled, topped on the HZ charger then charged until warm on the 12 volt wall charger seem to come back to life with more zip. WARNING.. MOST 12 volt chargers are dangerous. Most are rated with HIGH AMPS. NEVER try using a charger not designed for your batteries. I have a back ground in Electronics and play with this stuff at MY OWN RISK. IF you play with this idea do it at YOUR OWN RISK..A good amp meter used properly is a must. Do not try this at home it can burn your house down, kill you and worst... I am experiementing with my wall charger. With the extra voltage the SWIFT has become a joy to fly. It's considered my HIGH WIND FLYER. In wind between 10 and 20 mph she fies better than anything I have in the barn. With the extra battery wieght she lands smooth as glass in winds that make floaters jump about and bounce on landings. She just glides in fast as a bullet and slides to a stop.. I am not sure IF I would spend more money on a Swift. She is not a show stopper and her stunts are not pretty. I would NEVER recommend a Swift to anyone. But if you have ONE, my advice is FLY IT as long as you can.. When it's gone be glad. Next project, create a semi foil for the phantom and rig a rudder servo on a HB yellow Bee. Sadly the new TW 747 Cessna arrived damaged in shipping. I am waiting to see what the vendor will do. Hopefully send a new one and let the shipper pay the extra shipping fees. I have paid for shipping ONCE, why pay shipping again when the damage was not my fault. I will wait and see what happens on that and let you know. Drop me a line off group for more info on the cessna and the vendors reply.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 2/10/2009 10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi there, im am planning to buy the Aerobird Swift and i would like a few pictures of the electronics inside, not sure whats in there, Thanks

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 2/11/2009 3:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did I hear someone say, "Buy a HZ Swift?"..I thought by now we all knew better. If someone is considering a swift I suggest they read this forum from start to end. I would recommend that BEFORE you buy a swift. I have flown so many years I can't judge one plane over another. IF they fly, they fly. BUT my 12 year old Grandson swears the HZ Phantom flies much better than the swift. The Phantom has MORE power per wieght, IS cheaper, and will fly right out of your hand. The Swift is a beast, over wieght, low powered. Inverted is nasty. Rolls are sloppy. The best way to fly a Swift is in circles like any other 3 channel. We flew our Swift last weekend on a 9 cell battery pack. Even then we had to beg it to get airborne. It fell out of an invert, lost most of it's alititude in a roll and we ended up making circles.. The best mod for a swift is to cut the boom in 3 equally lenght pieces and toss them in the trash along with the V tail. Cut the wings off about 1.5 inches from the fuselage and toss them into the trash after you stand on them reciting the Lords Prayer and saying the alphabet backwards twice. To get a Swift to fly decently you must SPEND money on mods like a brushless and LiPo. A brand new Swift may fly acceptable but it looses power quickly and I lost interest in the plane about a week after we got it. We did get a few ROG's when it was new but now it just hangs on the edge until it's in the air. The idea with a Swift was a low price aileron trainer but by the time you spend enough to make it fly well you could have bought a better plane. One that flies stable and does decent stunts. Why not consider a full foamy like the Cessna 745 or 747.. Even the Phantom is a better plane than the swift if you ask my opinion. If you go ahead and buy a Swift any way, you have my deepest sympathy. The good thing about a Swift is it can take a beating and it will do so because it will not always get airborne. Often it snaps, stalls, or just falls out of the sky. Bless you, Chief.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 2/11/2009 4:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tkopper,
I agree with chief.... you really don't want to waste money on a swift,
inside the swif you will find a mount that has the rx on it vertically and the elevator servo, they are removable but as to their quality I wouldn't want to comment (mine died after very little use....) although they had a hard life in the several flights I had my the swift.... only a handfull ended nicely
Chiefs right, there are plenty of better planes out there.
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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 2/11/2009 5:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		well i just wanted an airplane thats a little smaller, and less difficult to fly around. saw the aerobird Swift and thought maby, but a little more research and found the Lancair es ep for a little more, I think ill buy this one, rather than flying a cessna 310 all the time. Thanks

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/2/2009 5:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		More on the swift electronics..I just got a new Lanyu Controller with my new TW Cessna 747.. It's 27 MHz channel 5 on 27.195 MHz.. IT WILL NOT work on my Hobby Zone Phantom of the same frequency.. I have chrystals coming on 27.095 MHz which is what the Swift is on. From what I am reading I will be shocked IF it works on the Swift Rx. The Swift Rx does have 4 channels and my Lanyu does have servo mixing. SO< IF < It will work with the swift I will have a 4 channel swift soon. BUT I KNOW it does not work on the Phantom and now the Phantom has a bad servo which is NOT replaceable. Sometimes I wish I had just gotten a good air plane FIRST.. I have a lot of Transmitters and Recievers that don't match.. I know I am not the only one who has done this. However, I will say the old Hobby Zone stuff has taken more abuse than Balsa could have done.. I am just now getting into Foam so I can't judge. The cessna is not yet completed since I did not like the way it was supposed to be built. If you want my mods let me know. There may be a way to convert a 9gm servo into a 5 wire servo and repair the phantom. I have a flying field here on the farm. I just walk out the door and toss a plane into the air. Today I noticed the Phantom does some real porporsing in the wind. It flew well, was fun but now I wonder IF maybe I should have just bought a better plane. The Swift wings are to long for clean rolls. It does not fly inverts clean either. In fact it's not a stunt palne. It does fly well in the wind. Actually it needs head wind to get aloft because the thing is so underpowered..I predict someday, the Swift will go the way of the Buffalo..I am not considering buying another Hobby Zone plane. I will keep what I have until they are gone but I am on the look out for a better plane for about the same money.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/2/2009 8:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Be sure to post if the transmitter works with the aerobird swift when your crystals arrive. the lanyu TX has how many channels?

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/3/2009 4:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the Chief as everything he said about the plane is true, the Swift is marketed as an aileron trainer but there are better trainers out there. I wanted to step up from my Cub to something that can do rolls. I got the Swift because it was cheap at $120 and because of the X-port drop module. I figured I have the kids chase after the missles and parachute guy, I also have an Xtreme with the x-port option too. I have had many flights and frustrations with the Swift and do yourself a favor and get a ParkZone T-28. Easy to fly and repair 4+ channel plane with a brushless motor and LiPo battery with charger.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/6/2009 1:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Over the weekend I did some long awaited repairs on the Swift and finished some repairs on the transmitter and had a chance to take it out today after work. I forgot how fast that plane can fly and the sound of the prop in a dive. Definitely not a trainer. I forgot the rush you get flying old Swifty. Can't take your eyes of her though, especially flying at dusk.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/26/2009 3:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		heelo guys just passin on to say hello ... its being a long time since my last post. i still have my swift but her last flew was like an year ago ....

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/28/2009 5:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello...I just received my AB swift,I need help with securing the canopy. It has a rubberband attached to a little T-shaped piece of plastic. Do you put this under the sytrofoam?? Thanks for any help.



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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/28/2009 6:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		not to sure what you mean, but my t-pin broke a long time ago, so i just use valcro to close it now.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/28/2009 6:44 PM   
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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/30/2009 11:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Topflight, The T pin with the rubberband goes into two dimples just behind the opening in the fuselage just behind where the canopy is hinged. Put one end in and pop the other end by sliding it up under the dimple. Get used to it or ditch it as it will pop off with any bump to the nose. I use a rubber band going around the battery and cable and the bottom of the fuselage with the canopy open and another around the canopy and fuselage with the canopy closed. And as useless as it is I still use the T and pop it back in every so often. It keeps it closed when in storage and looks better than a rubberband or valcro. I also recommend hockey tape along the joints where the wings go in to the fuselage to keep them in place when you crash. This will keep from damaging the hole where the cross bar goes through. Have fun and keep up the speed!

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/31/2009 12:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dax, good to hear from you! You should blow the dust off the Swift and give it a go again. I finally got around to fixing all my Swift's problems and had it out for a few adrenalin filled flights.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 3/31/2009 11:19 AM   
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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/7/2009 7:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a Commercial Pilot and Certified Flight Instructor, I find that the Swift has to be treated like a life size plane. More specifically a heavy twin engine piston like a Cessna 340 or Cessna 421. When flying high performance airplanes like these it can be easily mistaken that they are underpowered on takeoff and have poor performance on landing. Heavier planes like the ones listed take longer to accelerate on takeoff and any excessive pitch up will deprive them of precious airspeed. By keeping the takeoff climb shallow the airplanes perform much better. On landing theses planes actually have to carry power all the way through to the flare. Any sudden changes in power and the plane will fall like a brick. Also, planes like these don't land with a full oncoming stall. They more or lass slow there descent and get the nose wheel high enough that the main wheels touch first.

How does this all come into play with the Swift? I don't find the Swift to be underpowered just slow acceleration. When it comes to takeoffs and climb outs, keep them shallow and let the Swift develop some airspeed. On landing, keep some power until close to the ground. Don' flare the Swift so that it will touch down with a full stall, just slow the descent so that it touches down smooth on the main wheels and let plane have a long roll out.

To Sum It All Up:
1) Shallow climb outs till a faster airspeed is reached is key with the Swift.

2) Carry some power on the landing approach and DON'T FLARE TO A FULL STALL. Slow the decent, touchdown on the mains, and let the plane have a long roll out.

3) This is not a plane that I would recommend with any first time flier after all it is a Zone 3. If you are thinking of buying a Swift for a trainer, look around some more.

4) When it comes to aerobatic maneuvers such as rolls and loops, Airspeed + Altitude + HIGH RATE = Happy Flying!


I find that following the above guidelines, the Swift is just that, ''swift.''

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/14/2009 7:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi. Can anyone tell me how to install full electronics into the empty fuselage of an Aerobird Swift? It looks hard but doable except for attaching the pushrod for the tail to the elevator servo. If you push the electronics in from the cockpit, it doesn't look like you can see where the z-bend attaches let alone bend it into place. The only solution seems to be to cut open the top of the fuselage then glue and duct tape it back together which I am averse to doing. Does anyone know how the plane is assembled in the factory? Do they install first then seal the fuselage? The Horizon Hobby rep didn't seem to know.

Regarding the plane generally, I haven't had the easiest time. The first one I assembled the wings on the wrong side and upside down, so I guess I can't complain that it nose-dived 15 times into the ground until the tail boom broke. The second one had better success but repeated crashes forced the motor inward until the fuselage was so mangled that it would not longer hold the motor. The crashes have been due to tip stalling the plane by turning to tightly at too low an altitude, hand launching with insufficient power, and possibly a case where the trim was not right. Also, I'm a beginner pilot working alone whose only training is on the X-Plane simulator. (A wonderful tool by the way.) So, why do I persist? There were some flights where I successfully made laps of the field, and I was completely intoxicated. The plane is big, fast, sensitive, and responsive on the controls even on the low rate. This is the flying that I want to be able to do. So, I guess I'm going to see the Swift through. Any advice on installing electronics into the fuselage would be appreciated to help me cut costs. Thanks.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/14/2009 9:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		i had to swap mine out ounce, what i did was i disconected the tair wires so they will move freely, then i took a couple pairs of pliers to pry loost the connector on the tail wire so i can get plenty of movement from it so i was able to slide the tail wire all the way forward to connect it to the servor before i even put it in the swift, then when it is in the swift, i was able to just use some epoxy to glue the tail wires back together, been flying it like that ever since. hope this helps.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 12:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Genius. I just recently learned that the pushrods are sold separately. But I hadn't realized that you can attach one to the elevator servo, then install the electronics, then glue the pushrods together after they have been threaded through the fuselage. Now, why didn't I think of that. But such is the nature of genius.

Now, not only can I fix my plane, but I will be able to handle future crashes with minimum expense. Mastery of the Swift is ensured. Thank you.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 11:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Conbarb - I've taken all the electrics out, in fact everything!!! Then I 'sored'the fuse etc in the best place I could find - the trashcan!!! Its a heap of poo, underpowered, overweight and badly designed. Buy a better plane and really FLY!!!!!

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 11:59 AM   
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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 12:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		when i did mine, i sat there for at least an hour trying different ways to connect that pushrod to the servo before i realized that, why is it always the most simplest way of doing things is always the one we think of last. good luck with the swift, it is a bit under powered for take-off, but as long as you give it a nice solid straight launch and let it build up speed before pulling up then it doese just fine.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 6:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, i have had alot of fun flying my firbird commander 2 but have anfortunatly lost it in a built up area due to strong winds I am going to buy a replacement plane and would like to make the step to 3 or 4 channel control, Would i be better off getting a swift or an aerobird 3? please bear in mind that i will not be able to buy another plane afer that for a while.

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RE: Official Aerobird Swift Thread - 4/15/2009 7:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		if i were you, i'd go with a 4-channel. something like the parkzone trojan or corsair are both excelent choices.

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