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What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 2:56:34 AM   
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Today I was going to go fly my Showtime. I went to this area that is next to a lake, there is a field and a road that you can land on and I have flown there about 15 times in the past. There is a bike trail that goes along next to the road but there are no cars that travel along the road, there were hardly any people around and the sun was going down so I was only going to get in about one flight.

I was standing there with my engine running and these two police officers ride over to me on their bikes.

I smiled and said hello, and one of them just said, "this is not a runway " in a low disgusted authoritative tone.

I was surprised and said that I was not aware of any ordinances that had anything to do with rc airplanes. (There are none I have been confronted by the police before but they have all been very interested and helpful, they have told me that there are no ordinances against rc airplanes and that I could fly.)

The officer just said, "Did you hear what I said".

I responded politely, "yes but I have been flying for 3 years and have talked to several different policemen in the past and none of them ever said that there was anything wrong with flying and I am not aware of any laws against this sort of thing."

The officer looked thoroughly disgusted and said "you are not going to fly here so what’s it going to be?"

I was thinking.... so OK, you are going to arrest me for flying an rc airplane.....

I did have a friend with me, we traveled in the same car so I thought if I got arrested then he would not have a ride home so I told the officer I would pack up and leave.

Could a policeman really arrest me for flying? I always thought that the had to have a legit reason like assault or DWI or indecent exposure.. .. ..
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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 3:10:56 AM   
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It is always wise to avoid a confrontation with a police officer as you never know who the idiots are and you can pretty much bet that if a cop says "so what’s it going to be" that he is daring you to cross him; thus, you have an idiot. You may try writing a letter to the chief detailing this incident. Not a letter of complaint, but a request for clarification as you are receiving conflicting signals from the patrolmen. Maybe this will solve your problem. If you receive a favorable response, I would keep it in your flight box. Now how weird is that?! I personally would not have hassled you. I used to go visit the flyers behind the 'hood where I used to work an extra job. They used a paved street for a runway, but there was rarely any traffic and they knew what to do when there was.

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 3:31:11 AM   
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If this was a public road, traveled or not then the local police can ask you to not fly there.

It does sound like you had an over-zealous officer there but not one I would call an idiot

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 3:55:27 AM   
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Banche: Did he ask for I.d.? did he mention a ordnance?Did he check 29(p)!s (thats wants an warrants, person, If not he had no intent to take you in! anyhoo, It's a mis, and all he could do is give you a ticket, most cop's are good guys but this guys was just an a-hole, hope you get to fly there, your bub, scoooper

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 4:51:38 AM   
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NO, NO and NO,

He was very 'over Zealous' (thanks bubba)

He was a little guy, and I think he had a big guy complex, there are some people who just love confrontation and he was one of them, he was in uniform and he was not one of those guys to answer some 17 year old guys question.

He was actually with a woman officer who looked like she was about 24-28. She didnt say a word throughout the whole 3 minute long conversation, I I looked at her and I think she was thoroughly embarrassed.


I am definitely going to go try to get an appointment with the chief at a loca sub station I will bring the plane and pictures of my flying at that site and maybe he could do something, maybe......

This guy was all in my face like he wanted to wrestle me to the ground, I was bigger and 6 inches taller than the guy but it was like he could not wait to totally contradict me, now that I think back on it, it really makes me mad.

I was just about to ask him what he would do if I went ahead and flew but I didn't, now I sort of wish I would have.

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/15/2006 5:14:19 AM   
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Sometimes with A-holes like that it's just not worth the confrontation especially as they carry stun guns and your plane is worth more than those miserable - - - -'s. He's probably just jealous that you're having fun and he's just a miserable - - - -. They're the sort of - - - - 's that cause people to dislike authorities such as the PooLice.

However
Would there be a liability issue if you were flying from that location and something happened that caused injury to others? Having had a close call a few years ago, I'm real wary of where I fly from these days I even had my home property (In Australia) registered, through my home club, as a field with the governing body there just in case (Myself and the two teenagers fly from there regularly).

BTW - was his partner worth looking at?



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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/19/2006 7:47:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Banche

Today I was going to go fly my Showtime. I went to this area that is next to a lake, there is a field and a road that you can land on and I have flown there about 15 times in the past. There is a bike trail that goes along next to the road but there are no cars that travel along the road, there were hardly any people around and the sun was going down so I was only going to get in about one flight.

I was standing there with my engine running and these two police officers ride over to me on their bikes.

I smiled and said hello, and one of them just said, "this is not a runway " in a low disgusted authoritative tone.

I was surprised and said that I was not aware of any ordinances that had anything to do with rc airplanes. (There are none I have been confronted by the police before but they have all been very interested and helpful, they have told me that there are no ordinances against rc airplanes and that I could fly.)

The officer just said, "Did you hear what I said".

I responded politely, "yes but I have been flying for 3 years and have talked to several different policemen in the past and none of them ever said that there was anything wrong with flying and I am not aware of any laws against this sort of thing."

The officer looked thoroughly disgusted and said "you are not going to fly here so what’s it going to be?"

I was thinking.... so OK, you are going to arrest me for flying an rc airplane.....

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Could a policeman really arrest me for flying? I always thought that the had to have a legit reason like assault or DWI or indecent exposure.. .. ..



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He was a little guy, and I think he had a big guy complex, there are some people who just love confrontation and he was one of them, he was in uniform and he was not one of those guys to answer some 17 year old guys question.


As one that has experienced both problems and also very good help from police officers, judges, and the legal system, let me advise you that giving a cop a reason OR AN OPPORTUNITY to create a situation where he will always be the "good guy" is not a very wise decision.
While at 17 you can question your parents and have a tantrum, with a policeman it doesn't often work in your favor when it can possibly result in "resisting arrest". Don't believe the news people or the TV shows that the younger person "in-the-right" will always win over the legal system.
I won't go into details of the bad experiences, but here is a good one. A rather new club-member (CM) was stopped for doing 55 in a 35 mph residential area. The cop questioned him and noticed his Texas Inspection sticker was also out of date. (CM is an airline captain) CM was just knowing that he was in a fix so he remained humble! The cop also noticed a RC model in the
CM's car. Cop asked CM if he knew Horrace Cain. Club member said, "YES, he taught me how to fly these things." The cop said that if the CM would promise to slowhis speed and to get the sticker updated within the next day, he would let him go without a ticket. CM promised to get things done. So you see that was a good cop, and not just only because he is my neighbor.

So, Banche, reserve your feelings until you speak with someone in higher places that can say yes to your situation. Don't screw around with the cops. They have all the aces.
Not that you want to hear this but I would not make a bet that anyone is going to OK your flying on a public road regardless of the travel situation. That could open one big Pandora's Box.

Join a Club. Have fun.


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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/19/2006 9:12:38 PM   
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hoss: your comment was belittling to this young man, " While at 17 you can question your parents and have a tantrum" I know lots of mature 17 year olds ( some in the service of this country ) and if you reread his post I think you'll find Banche is one of these YOUNG MEN, Light'in up hoss,

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/19/2006 11:13:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: scoooper

hoss: your comment was belittling to this young man, " While at 17 you can question your parents and have a tantrum" I know lots of mature 17 year olds ( some in the service of this country ) and if you reread his post I think you'll find Banche is one of these YOUNG MEN, Light'in up hoss,



Having some life experiences concerning YOUNG MEN that cost me much heartbreak plus many many $$$$ in more ways than one, I'll lighten up when I see no need for them to have serious advice.

I am well in memory of one that later in life admitted his teen-age tantrums were staged simply because mama always took up for his ways and pop was always the mean guy. Mama being very 'lightened up' with her "baby boy" was a main reason that this individual wound up in court twice and keeping him out of prison on a felony rap was one big chore. He is very intelligent with an IQ of something over 140, yet every so often, now in his mid-40s, he still thinks he can out-smart the world.
I don't wish such on any parent. Intelligence and "smart" are not always the same thing.

Banche is 17, been flying at same spot for 3 years, so I don't think he is military.

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I was surprised and said that I was not aware of any ordinances that had anything to do with rc airplanes.


Ignorance of the law is no excuse, or so the judge sayth. BTHT

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Could a policeman really arrest me for flying? I always thought that the had to have a legit reason like assault or DWI or indecent exposure.. .. ..


Never argue with a cop. The judge/jury will settle those question if the lawyer doesn't do it before hand.

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He was a little guy, and I think he had a big guy complex,....

This guy was all in my face like he wanted to wrestle me to the ground, I was bigger and 6 inches taller than the guy but it was like he could not wait to totally contradict me, now that I think back on it, it really makes me mad.

I was just about to ask him what he would do if I went ahead and flew but I didn't, now I sort of wish I would have.



These statements make me wonder just who has a complex, especially maybe the superiority complex?

If I belittle the Young Man, but give him food-for-thought that keeps him from establishing a record that follows him for life, then maybe I will have done something good. If not then so be it. He won't lose any sleep for that.

BTW I have 9 grand kids, from 3 to 22. I maintain currency in teenagers. They are all alike -- yet each one is totally different!! Figure that one out.




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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/19/2006 11:44:37 PM   
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it's not often I agree with Hoss but I do agree with him here. At 17 yrs old, he should do a ride along with a police officer. It's a real eye opener, especially in the larger cities and heck, even in the smnaller ones to.

The club I fly with has quite a few local retired cops, yep, they hold all the aces and at times I feel that they can manipulate things to get you to say certain things.

I have the utmost respect for them. It's a tough job, they see more things in a week than most of us will ever see. Oh, I've had my share of not liking them and grouping them in one lump, but there are a few out there who just want to keep it safe as possible. Most of the rookies I have come across, when I drove truck for a living were just trying to make points. They do settle down after a bit.

I also still stand by my original assessment, if it was a public road, traveled or not, this cop could have chased him off and he would have been perfectly correct to do so.

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/20/2006 3:43:11 AM   
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I've had cop buddys, some for over 20 years and none of them " manipulate things to get you to say certain things. " One bub of mine larry, a Sargent said this afternoon " the guys an a-hole" , anyhoo, you an hoss are both are prolific modelers an I respect your opinion, I just happen to be on the other side of the fence on this one, ya'lls bub, scoooper


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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/20/2006 4:18:00 AM   
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Scoop,

I was only generalizing when I mentioned about manipulating words. All of the ones I know do not strike me like that, but and this is a big but, I've noticed it on shows like Cops and such. Not often, but I have seen it

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RE: What Can the Police Do? - 8/20/2006 4:37:58 AM   
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Hoss: you should take a bunch of kids fly'in with you sometimes as I have been do'in for MANY years, You just might learn something, these kids are all the world has to look forward too, mentor a few kids from time to time, thats a fine bunch of planes you got there, more than enough too share, but like I said before , " were just on the other side of the fence on this one" you give alot to this forum,(1000's of post) an are spot on most the time, I respect your opinions, an your abilitys, You have alot to offer the younger gen, heres some pixs I took this afternoon with my little buddys ( thier a hoot!!!) I call em the MULLET'S MAUADERS AIR CORPS, I taught two of thier Dads to fly an they were MULLET'S MAUADERS 12-15 years ago too!! an are fine young men now!!!!! your bub, ( I hope?) scoooper

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