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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 2:08:27 AM   
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Truly I feel sorry for you.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 2:15:24 PM   
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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 2:42:47 PM   
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Think your a little confused about the thread. Read the first one I wrote! Then MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. By the way if you don't build anymore, why don't you stay in you ARF or RTF catagory? A little miffed


Now I am confused. I went back and re-read your OP. It says:

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If this trend of ARF's continues there won't be any kits for us die-hard kit builders to build. Tell me your reason for not building!


It sounded to me like you expected some non-builders to be reading and responding to your question. I responded. I don't build kits (any more) because it's time-consuming, tedious and dangerous to your health, and the final result costs more and is lower quality than a factory-built plane. I explained that this is what factory building does for all products once a certain level of production is reached.

To be honest, I did think about the appropriateness of my response before writing. It's not my way to rain on anybody's parade, and I didn't want to give the impression of a non-kit builder crashing your cozy forum to slam kit building. But, in the thread, I saw quite a bit of bashing of folks who don't build kits (the most common epithet is "lazy" , so I thought some response was necessary. Besides, you did ask the question.

For the record, the reason I visit this forum is that I have, in the past, built quite a few kits that are still available, and I like to help guys that are building them now.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 4:36:07 PM   
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what kind of question is it to ask a bunch of kit builders like myself what we would fly if there were no ARF's i think the answer is obvious there.


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not all arfers are open minded at all. just got into a debate on gas engines and basically got told that there is no engine below 50cc worth a crap. i am an engine conversion nerd so i like playing with small gas engines. i have seen some mighty powerful gas engines come out in the past few years. but those guys still refuse to believe that you can fly aerobatics with a 25 or 26cc gasser. but that is a whole other debate.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 6:00:59 PM   
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50%

not all arfers are open minded at all. just got into a debate on gas engines and basically got told that there is no engine below 50cc worth a crap. i am an engine conversion nerd so i like playing with small gas engines. i have seen some mighty powerful gas engines come out in the past few years. but those guys still refuse to believe that you can fly aerobatics with a 25 or 26cc gasser. but that is a whole other debate.


I didn't mention ARF'ers. I mentioned kitbuilders as some of the most closed minded. There will always be closed minded folks wherever, I just see it more along the lines of kit builders.

C'mon folks, lets fly for fun!

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 6:36:05 PM   
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Your right, I did ask for opinions and I just caught myself being to one sided! I hate it when I do that and then have to admit it. Your opinion is well received at least by me. Thats as close to a I'm sorry as you'll get!

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/28/2006 11:00:16 PM   
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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 12:39:40 AM   
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I have been building mine, what did you do, switch to an "Almost Ready to Live Model"?

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 1:32:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		just living. but me I don't care what somebody fly's be it a ARF are if they build it from a kit as long as they have fun with it I say go for it that's why this hobby has been around so long

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 1:53:36 AM   
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stickbuilder,

what kind of question is it to ask a bunch of kit builders like myself what we would fly if there were no ARF's i think the answer is obvious there.



It would appear that the question is not being answered by the bunch of kit builders that you mentioned. It is amazing, but when I asked the same question in the ARF forum, I got more responses that they would build kits than I did in here.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 2:40:01 AM   
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... It is amazing, but when I asked the same question in the ARF forum, I got more responses that they would build kits than I did in here.


I have to admit to being a little confused here Bill. Are you wanting those of us who build kits to answer that we would continue to build kits?

I really wouldn't be affected by the loss of the ARF market other than possibly having a shorter lineup at the field, and maybe some more interesting conversation ( building techniques instead of commodity shopping ) between flights .

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 2:58:35 AM   
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... It is amazing, but when I asked the same question in the ARF forum, I got more responses that they would build kits than I did in here.


I have to admit to being a little confused here Bill. Are you wanting those of us who build kits to answer that we would continue to build kits?

I really wouldn't be affected by the loss of the ARF market other than possibly having a shorter lineup at the field, and maybe some more interesting conversation ( building techniques instead of commodity shopping ) between flights .


Jim, there appears to be a lot of flyers in this forum who fly ARF's. I wondered exactly how many true kit builders there were in here. Not trying to confuse, just trying to seperate the sheep from the goats. There is always going to be some bleed-over, but I did not expect so many obvious ARF pilots in this forum.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 12:43:23 PM   
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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 2:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		now go into the ARF forum and ask what would they fly if there were no kits! Kit builders Vs Arf Assemblers debate is so tired and pointless.

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RE: AFR'S WHY NOT KITS - 8/29/2006 2:50:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I find amusing is that the original post was a question to ARFers asking why they don't build kits. A large percentage of the respondents seem to be kit builders finding fault with the people who only fly ARFs. There were a moderate number of ARFers who did state their reasons. Things like no time to build, no interest in building, prefer to spend their time flying, don't think there is any financial advantage to building a kit over an arf, or think they can't build a plane to a higher standard of construction and appearance than an equivalent ARF. There were also a few of us kit builders who, like me, tried to give reasons why we prefer to build, either because we want a plane that stands out from the crowd, who have been dissatisfied with the quality of the ARFs we have either seen or purchased ourselves, or to some degree just think the sport/hobby demands that we be builders.

I would personally only be upset with the current apparent preponderance of ARFs if it resulted in a total loss of the supply of kits. I am more concerned with the loss of good safe flying fields and the apparent lack of concrn for others evinced by a few "Park Flyers". However, since I have a personal stock of over 130 kits ranging from indoor rubber free flight up to a couple decent rc scale kits, and a large stock of plans and building supplies, I am not especially affected by the growth in the ARF market. I will regret the loss of the designing and building skills pool that has brought this hobby/sport to it's current level, and sometimes I can't decide if I want to laugh or cry when I see some of the ARFs that claim to be accurate scale models. But, I take a lot of satisfaction in the improvements in the power, variety