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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/25/2006 10:25:59 PM

Ken Erickson

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Have only had "Racer" in one real race. Had 2 of them and 13 Raiders. Not clear as to which is faster.

Two months ago, fast time was set by a Raider with a TT 40 Pro and 10 X 6 APC, 1:26.57. This month it was a Racer with a TT 40 PRO and a 10X5 APC, 1:26.53 His engine was claimed. They do rev higher with the 10 X 5,

The 10 X 6 turns 15,500 on the ground. I have heard these engines like to be above 16,000. Wouldn't know about that. I am thinking Ray Allen told me his was at 16,500. Will try to verify that.

The participant who scored high points had a Raider, had times of 1:40.22, 1:43.15, 1:42.88, and 1:43.66. Due to the luck of the draw, and the early cut-off of heat racing, he never raced Ray.

Read all the posts, and get the info posted on RCPRO for more info on your question. Click on "RCPRO Racing" and then "Club 40 Racing".

Ken Erickson, AMA 19352

Edited to correct typos.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 1:35:55 AM

gunfighter

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F1Race - there is no discernable difference between the 'raider and the LA racer.

The LA racer is a little more streamlined but it is heavier so the difference is negligable. What you gain in the straight, you loose in the turns.

The LA racer IS a little stronger though so that might ba a consideration.

Chuck

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 2:59:24 AM

Jim Duda

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...and don't forget the LA Racer kit is $30 more AND it requires 5 servos...so expect a TOTAL expenditure of $40 to $50 additional for the LA Racer when you include the extra servo.

But it does look sleeker and sexxier (to most) and it is reportedly built stronger in some critical areas.

A well flown Raider will easily hold its own against it. That's why they're both allowed in this class - neither has the advantage in a race.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 11:59:24 AM

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I like the ideal that you guys put a lot of thought into just having fun. I believe that there is to much thought on winning races in the nmpra than just coming out to have a good time. after all who cares who wins the doggone race lets have some fun guys. just my two cents.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 1:33:53 PM

dwbebens

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I agree with BUDMAN27 completely. Plus I have a few other comments to make.

Just this last weekend, I raced in a Club 40 race at Ocala FL. It was my first time racing with that group. We had over 30 entries!!

There is a whole series of these races here in north-central Florida spread-out among four to five clubs. Their rules specify the stock Skyraider MkII and the stock OS 40 LA exclusively. They fly the two-pole course and use a flying start. This was my first time using the flying start and the two-pole course. I want to tell you - - WHAT A BLAST!!!!. The two pole course allows you to judge the pylons SO well. The flying start is just plain thrilling from a pilot's viewpoint and also from a spectator's viewpoint.

I had so much fun at that race. Everyone was so friendly and relaxed. What a great group. We had seven pylon "first-timers" racing with us. It truly was an entry level friendly event. Bear in mind though, there were a lot of very intensely contested heats. Racing is racing -- right!

I am a fairly experienced pylon racer. Before this race, I was wondering how I would like the two-pole course and the flying start format. I was very pleasantly surprised. Not only is it just as much fun (or more) than the three-pole course, but there are a number of distinct advantages to the two-pole course. This format requires less room, less walking, fewer helpers, fewer pylons, and NO light system. Also, as I mentioned before, the pilot himself can judge when to turn - - right on the button at both ends! Did I mention that the fact that there are NO personell on the course? These advantages became very evident to me during this race.

To the general pylon community - - in my opinion there is nothing to fear about two-pole pylon racing. We have nothing to lose and much to gain by embracing this format. I'm not saying in any way that we should change or abandon three-pole racing, but rather that we should have at least an open mind about two-pole racing and use and promote it in addition to three-pole racing. Personally, this experience has opened my mind. I've found that two-pole racing is not an abreviated or reduced or pared-down version of pylon racing. It is a different and equally enjoyable form of racing that only adds to my enjoyment of the sport.

Doug Bebensee

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 4:43:36 PM

garys

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You may want to check the AMA safety code and rules, I believe helmets are still required for the pilots and course workers with the two-pole course, just as there are for the timers/judges that are 300+ feet away from the three pole course.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 6:42:29 PM

dwbebens

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GaryS;

Hmmmm. I wonder if I did mis-interpret the AMA rules. Maybe I just assumed that if you kept everyone entirely off the course, then it was much safer, and after all, that is what the AMA wants to promote.

I think I'll just edit my previous post.

Doug

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 7:04:07 PM

daven

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I don't know if I would agree that it is safer by any means.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 8:32:43 PM

DonStegall

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nevermind

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 10/26/2006 9:32:52 PM

pdxpaul

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Don,

Thank you.

Paul

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 11/12/2006 4:41:51 PM

stand-RCU

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OK, OK
I give up. Jim Duda sent me the info on ordering a SIG Mid-Star 40 kit, so I did. I am going to go with him to a race in San Antonio next Saturday, 11/18/06. I won't have my plane ready by then so I'll be available as an official and tell lies about my flying. Jim and Jason are starting a movement to get ARCA club members fired up and are having some success here in Austin.

Got me off my behind anyway. Hey! I have an old MVVS 40 with the stock muffler, how long do you think I'd be allowed to run that?

Hope to join the fun,
Stan D.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 11/12/2006 6:08:05 PM

gunfighter

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quote:

I have an old MVVS 40 with the stock muffler, how long do you think I'd be allowed to run that?

Ordinarily, I would say 1 race! (or until you win a race) However, this month there is no engine claim rule.

Bring "something" to fly (with a .40) I'm sure you will have a blast!

If you are in a bind - I have an LA racer and a couple of 'raiders "squirelled away" for hard times. they are getting very hard to find as they become more popular as a racer and general sport plane.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 11/12/2006 7:30:22 PM

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We are having another Club 40 race here in north-central Florida at the Gainsville club's Archer field on Nov 18, '06. I am so looking forward to this race.

One airplane only -- Skyraider Mk II - STOCK - STOCK - STOCK !!!!!

One engine only -- OS 40 LA - STOCK - STOCK - STOCK !!!!!!

Any prop

Two pole 600' course

Flying start

AMA Req'd

Doug Bebensee

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 11/12/2006 8:38:00 PM

gunfighter

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Stan - Welcome to the "'raider-racer group".

Before you buy that mid star - just want you to understand that most of the flying (racing) around here is limited to the sky raider or LA racer. This month, we are allowing any "non-AMA quickie legal" plane with a .40 to run with the raiders/racers. But that is only this month. When we start racing again in the spring, we will be back to raiders and racers only (unless the group votes for a change)

Looking forward to meeting you on Saturday.

Chuck W.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 11/12/2006 10:55:11 PM