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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/20/2007 1:29 PM   
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The North-Central Club 40 group is having their second race of the year at the Gateway RC Club just north of Jacksonville FL this Saturday March 24. Go to www.gatewayrc.org for a map and driving instructions.

If you are planning to race with us, remember that we only use the absolutely stock Skyraider Mk II (covering may be changed) and the absolutely stock OS 40 LA engine (may remove muffler baffle). We allow any prop though! Be there by 8:30 am.


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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/20/2007 4:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Doug....sorry but I will be unable to attend but several of my club members will be there. I'm the photographer for our Ocala Flying Model Club and we have a Pattern Meet the same time....sigh. With so many club activities around the country there's just some you have to skip.

I hope all y'all have a wonderful weekend racing the Club 40's...they are such fun, and once you try it, you're hooked for life.
Take care and come to see us.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/21/2007 12:47 AM   
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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/21/2007 1:37 AM   
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It's great when a new pilot wins his very first race. It seems to happen quite often in Club 40. This is a very encouraging thing for the new pylon pilot to know.

Then again, it isn't over 'till it's over. The surest way to lose a race is to think that you're going to win. I try to enjoy the whole experience, from the anticipation, the practicing, the preparations for the trip and the trip itself, the entry process, the test flight, talking to the other pilots, flying each heat , etc. I try to fly as well as I can without mistakes throughout the day and let the results fall where they may. I don't depend on a good finish placing in order to have fun. Often a loss in a particularly hard-fought heat can be more enjoyable than an easy win. Of course, a hard-fought heat that you win is the best.

I think I know who you are. Are you Craig from Chuck's? Hope to see you at Jacksonville on Saturday.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/21/2007 12:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Doug, Hey its Craig from Chucks field, Just kidding about winning, fat chance of that. But I did get my motor running great, flushed everything out with carb cleaner, threw away the fuel and bought new. See u Sat. Craig....

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 12:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		So why are people afraid to race on the 3 pole course?? Maybe I don't understand this 2 pole thing.. where do you fly from..the outside on the flight line?? Or in between the 2 poles?? Seems to me flying around yourself on the second and third pylon and yelling "DUCK" is a good way to come in first..

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 1:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Druce - In a word - Yes, many sport flyers are afraid to fly on a 3 pole course! I know I will get flamed for saying this, but a 2 pole course is MUCH safer than a 3 pole, especially when you have beginners in the mix!

Add to that the fact that there a lot of good pilots that are physically unable to stand and turn around fast enough to keep up with a plane on a 3 pole course and you have your answer.

The 2 pole course is flown from the normal flight stations at the field. The pylon line (between pylon #1 & #2) is 330 ft. out from the pilots (unless you get a waiver) so there is less chance of an accident and injury.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I had to make some new LG for my LA Racer. It took a couple of pretty hard landings last weekend due to the high winds on Sunday (speaking of which, Jim, where were you?! I heard rumors that you and Jason were coming down...). The LG was getting quite worn form some previous ugly landings and I'm sure the music wire was getting tired of being bent back into/out of shape!

Anyways, on one of the landings a gust caught me on final and slammed the plane down pretty hard (ya, that's what happened...a gust...) anyways the gear bent enough that one of the wheels hit the wing and cracked a rib right where the sheeting ends on the root side. The new landing gear isn't quite stock, it's more narrow like the Raider because I didn't want this to happen again! I figured taking them in some would remove some of the bend in the gear. At least my LG block survived! I've been worried about the LG on the Racer since I got her. Hope that's "legal" for racing.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 1:55 PM   
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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 2:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is the most natural thing for new RC pilots to fly around themselves. Club instructors go out of their way to beat this tendency out of fliers with the mantra of ‘don’t fly past the flight line’. So after all this careful training, most learn that flying is done in front of a line.

Club fliers also tend to circle the field in one direction or another, depending on the field layout and normal wind direction. It has always amazed me the number of people that go home or sit around if the wind is the “wrong direction”. If you race at a lot of fields, then you have to be very adaptable pilot.

Most old-time fliers started flying something other than RC. Most of these flew control line models and I’m not including little Cox .049 powered toys in this group. Put a strong .35 or .36 on a Flite Streak at the end of 60 foot cables and learn how to fly it, and I guarantee flying pylon turns around you will be a lot easier.

While two pole is perhaps easier to start with, it does have a different set of problems and risks. I think it is harder to avoid mid-air collisions due to the distance from the pilots and the aspect of head on traffic for much of the flight.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 3:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have NEVER agreed with the notion of two pylon racing as being safer. In three pylon racing, most midairs occur around pylons #2 and #3. With the flyers in the center of the course, centrifugal force takes the damaged airplanes AWAY from the pilots standing in the center of the course. In Two pylon racing, that same force could potentially, push a midaired airplane towards the pilots after a midair around the left side pylon.

I am in no means discounting this type of racing, I think it is a fantastic way for people to get exposed to racing. Flying RC in general is dangerous, I've seen less accidents racing, then I have on Tuesday Trainer Night!

Also, in terms of making the spin around #2 and #3, what I find VERY helpfull is to turn my body so that it nearly faces #2, and turn my neck over my right shoulder as I am coming back from pylon #1. This way, as you come into two, you don't have turn so dramatically, as you initially start the turn by moving your head, and then turning with your feet as you exit #3. I hope that makes sense.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 4:56 PM   
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While two pole is perhaps easier to start with, it does have a different set of problems and risks.

That's it in a nutshell. There is no "right" answer, nor is either the 2-pole or the 3-pole setup inherently dangerous. You can make either one dangerous, just as you can make ordinary sport-flying dangerous.

Historical footnote: The first R/C Pylon racing was 2-pole, with the pilots standing directly under the flight path. Very quickly the hazards of this setup were realized. 3-pole racing was instituted so that the pilots would have a safe area to stand in, and most crashes would send debris away from that area.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 5:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the real benefit of the 2 pole is that you do stand on a normal flight line, which is much more accepting to most clubs. As I understand it the goal of Club 40 is to engage not only new pylon flyers, but also to engage clubs to an aspect of flight that they might not normally have at their field. Setting up 3 poles and having people out in the middle of the field would throw a red flag for many clubs. Not because it's less safe/more safe, whatever, but just because it's further out from what they normally do.

I've never flown a 3 pole pylon...only 2, so I can't comment on the safety aspect of one verses the other. I just have fun and try not to mid air (so far successful...knock on wood). I don't have issues flying around myself at all, but I can see how it would be difficult for some...especially the newer flyers.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 6:13 PM   
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I think the real benefit of the 2 pole is that you do stand on a normal flight line, which is much more accepting to most clubs. As I understand it the goal of Club 40 is to engage not only new pylon flyers, but also to engage clubs to an aspect of flight that they might not normally have at their field. ...

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Jared,

Thanks for bringing this up. Engaging clubs and new pilots is a major goal of Club 40. The planes are club friendly and the 2 pole course is MUCH more club friendly for the vast majority of field setups. And MUCH more club officer friendly.

I personally love the 3 pole course and enjoy it more. But I grew up with it. The pilots that I am recruiting are much more comfortable with the 2 pole course so far. And I have a lot more fun flying 2 pole with other people than just flying laps on my personal 3 pole course by myself.

I started this topic as a hangout for Club 40 pilots. I hope it can stay on course and on topic.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/22/2007 11:18 PM   
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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 1:50 AM   
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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 2:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mr. Erickson - Jared and his sidekick Todd are gunnin' for you at your April 7th race...they both have OS LA 40s and will enter the Novice class. Be forewarned they have been tearin' up the Austin course and are fierce competitors!

It's gonna be a Central/South Texas shootout!

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 3:16 AM   
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Haha, Todd is MY sidekick!

Looking forward to April 7th!!!

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 3:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dude , Jim Just wanted you to feel better after getting smoked 2-0 at the practice race....better bend those gear REAL short and aerodynamic if ya wanna keep up (: Todd

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 3:44 AM   
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I'll be there!!! Will it be beginners luck or skill? I'll let you be the judge.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/23/2007 5:10 AM   
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Dude , Jim Just wanted you to feel better after getting smoked 2-0 at the practice race....better bend those gear REAL short and aerodynamic if ya wanna keep up (: Todd


You're just lucky I DNF the first race! Oh, and lets not forget I was only turning the prop at 8k rpm due to my uber rich settings you're going down April 7th! I'm getting you a sticker "1st Loser", or maybe something like "I Wish I Could Be As Fast As Jared"

Looking forward to beating Todd (or at least having some fun taunting him, and everyone else for that matter) on April 7th!!!

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/26/2007 6:02 PM   
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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/27/2007 3:42 AM   
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Just purchased a GWS .40 from Tower to go on my backup Raider... Does anyone have experience with this engine? Tips?


Maybe a GMS Engine? I don't have any experience with it, but it looks like it has SLIGHTLY more power than the TT40 at a little lower RPM. I've been considering picking on up (the price is right!) I'll be looking forward to hearing your experience with the engine.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/27/2007 4:45 AM   
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Steve Young was using a GMS last year. It was not faster than the TT Pro.

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RE: Club 40 Racing Hangout - 3/27/2007 4:56 AM   
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