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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 1/4/2007 9:14:00 AM   
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jgs77, I think that the Clarence Lee .61 would be super for your Kaos, too. I mentioned the Tower because they are so strong and you were looking for lots of power. But, as cwahl, said, the Lee K&B would be in the spirit of the model. Look in the classifieds in Model Aviation for his ad.

Thanks, Ed. I actually remember it getting pretty nasty up-river in Center City Philly when I lived there, too. But the worst place on earth for humidity I have ever lived was Williamsburg, Va. I once hung a pair of jeans out to dry in August in direct sunlight and five days later they were still wet (and there was no rain).

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 1/5/2007 5:38:15 AM   
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PDP means getting a new sleeve?


Basically the PDP modification involves drilling holes in the sleeve at precise angles to add small ports that augment and direct the intake gases slightly differently. So no additional parts are required -- it's just a modification to the stock engine, that needs to be done by an expert. HB (Helmut Bernhard) in Germany started by making Veco 61s (the precursor of the K&B, who later bought Veco) under license, and then began selling his own design, very much like the Veco 61. These were available in the box with PDP; strangely enough, neither Veco nor K&B ever offered the engine with PDP. This modification was also done on some Super Tigres, if I remember correctly. As long as the bypass is wide enough at the top, I believe any of these non-Schnuerle engines can be modified that way, provided someone knows what they're doing. John Perry probably invented it, but I don't know if he did this commercially.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 1/8/2007 5:30:25 AM   
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I tried the link and it wouldn't play.

Someone needs to load a Sultan flying. That would be great.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 2/1/2007 1:24:14 AM   
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You can get a lazer cut short kit of the Super Kaos from http://www.lazer-works.com/ for $39.95 plus shipping.

The short kit is everything but the straight stock parts and is cut according to the RCM plans for the Super Kaos. I just received my short kit and I have to say the work is simply outstanding.

They also included a cardboard tube and cut the ribs to fit over the tube as a building crutch so that the wing comes out straight. I have not built one of these before but fully symmetrical wings are sometimes tough to build perfectly straight.

I have no commercial or other interest in Lazer works but just pass this along as a great way to get a Kaos kit at a very reasonable price.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 2/15/2007 6:18:57 AM   
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"Snoopy". Sun Fli 4-20 Built around 1990 or so, by far my all time favorite RC model in 32 years of the hobby. Powered with a Supertigre G34 it's the ultimate Sunday afternoon touch and go airplane.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 2/20/2007 3:50:53 PM   
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I thought I saw it before but I just want to confirm....I have the Tower .40 Kaos kit and a set of Kaos .40 original rib patterns (masonite) and the are different. The original ribs are smaller than the Tower ribs. Is this correct and if so how do they differ in flight. Thanks

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 2/20/2007 4:03:00 PM   
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All I know for certain is that the original Kaos .40 has a 52" span and the Tower version was slightly enlarged to 55" to better accommodate contemporary .46 engines. As far as the root and tip percentages (thickness) I have no idea if or how much they differ. Bridi played around with tip airfoil thicknesses quite a bit between the Sun Fli's, Kaoi, Dirty Birdy and UFO designs. The earlier Sun Fli's had very thin tip airfoils compared to the Kaos, for example.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 2/22/2007 3:32:10 AM   
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Speaking of variations on a (Kaos) theme: Bridi made some chamges between the original Kaos and the follw-on Super Kaos. Here are a few he discussed in his RCM Super Kaos construction article.

"The wing ribs remained the same, however, the tips and aileron size as well as the aileron location was changed. The rudder is sligthly smaller, but fuse height has been added in the rear doing away with the sub-rudder. The elevator was brought forward approximately 2 1/2" which helped the Figure M and the spin manuvers."

The wing position was raised 1/4" up and 1/4" forward. The hatch was eliminated for strength in the nose section. A 2 3/4" spinner was used instead of a 2 1/2" diameter unit....the bottom of the tank compartment is also deeper to accept any retract."


Inquiring minds want to know.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/17/2007 4:16:58 AM   
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Here's another modification that you might want to consider if you're building the Super Kaos: Lower the stabilizer position about 1 inch.
I have a Super Kaos originally built in 1981 with Goldberg retracts, a Wing Mfg. canopy, and an Irvine .61 (still in flying condition). This single plane has been flown with 3 different stab locations. (1) With the stab in the stock location on top of the fuselage, the plane would pitch toward the belly when full rudder control was applied to hold knife-edge flight. (2) With the stab relocated to the bottom of the fuselage, the plane would pitch toward the canopy when full rudder was applied during knife-edge. (3) Now, with the stab located 1 inch below the top of the fuselage, the plane will accept full rudder control to hold knife-edge, with no need for elevator correction.
Note: The Dirty Birdy incorporated a lowered stab position.
If you have a stock-design Super Kaos that pitches toward the belly with full rudder application (and you don't have a fancy radio transmitter with computerized mixing), you might try adding 1 inch (height) "skid" plates at the tips of the stab, with the plates running the full chord of the stab-tip, and extending down from the bottom of the stab. This mod can help eliminate the undesired pitching. If the mod. causes the plane to pitch toward the canopy with full rudder application, shave down the height of the tip plates 1/8 of an inch at time, and recheck the plane's response to rudder application.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/17/2007 6:12:41 AM   
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Has anyone else scratch built the Kaos 90?

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/30/2007 6:03:09 PM   
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I have an Ultimate Kaos kit on the way and thought I would ask about any advice before starting to build it. I've seen different Kaos models fly, but have never built one. I'll put a .91 4 stroke in it. I'm not sure about retracts yet.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/30/2007 7:18:33 PM   
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My ultimate has Robart retracts, with a ASP61 for power. The only suggestions I might have are, if you install retracts, beef up the engine firewall a little with glass cloth. Because of the long tail moment on all Kaos', keep the tail light. Your 91 should do an excellent job. I imagine your 4 stroker weighs a little more than my 2 stroker, so you probably will be able to mount the air tank, if you use one, behind the wing saddle. Good luck.

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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/30/2007 7:21:12 PM   
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I have an Ultimate Kaos kit on the way and thought I would ask about any advice before starting to build it. I've seen different Kaos models fly, but have never built one. I'll put a .91 4 stroke in it. I'm not sure about retracts yet.


I had a 40 sized UK years ago, the Direct Connection kit. Built pretty much like every other Kaos variant, simple, no surprises. The wood was a bit heavy and I think I replaced the aileron stock, but it wasn't terrible by any means. Flew the same as the others, as well. Very true, only a tiny bit of roll coupling with rudder. limited knife edge ability with my ST40. Landed very slowly and easily. Great sport/aerobatics trainer.


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RE: KAOS AND RELATED PLANES AND INFO - 3/30/2007 8:54:47 PM   
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My Ultimate was also from Direct Connection, 60 size. Never knew they made a 40 size. It has been several years 4 or 5 since I built mine. The wood was definitely on the heavy side. The last time I flew it, I almost lost it due to an unbalanced prop. Must have nicked the tip on takeoff. First time and last time it flew off of grass. If I had not pinned the firewall, the engine would have probably came out. I pin all my firewalls.

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