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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/6/2008 6:39:51 PM   
tychoc



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Status: online 		Or for a little more $$, the cool 50 cc twin!!

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/6/2008 7:13:52 PM   
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If that motor is approved by the team, and I have no idea if that is even required, then you can count me in. I'll just need to know where to send my ten bucks.

Also, in light of what Bill was mentioning about parts and not knowing who will be needing them, could the person who is responsible for that please get in touch with me? And anybody else who is involved who can bring me up to speed in any way. Sorry to come into this thread so late, I simply didn't know about it until somebody mentioned it in the WACO brotherhood thread.

We'll need to talk to Gordon Boulton about how he made his cowl, and where we can replicate it, or perhaps more to the point, HOW we can replicate it.

Thanks guys.

Jim

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/6/2008 8:03:27 PM   
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The 50cc Twin is very cool, but weighs 6/10th of a pound more. So, if the weight & balance will accomodate it, I say fine, that's cool with me if it is with everybody else, but that means 15 bucks apiece.

I think that the twin WOULD make it eminently more raffle-able and attract a lot of attention, which this project sounds like it could use.

I caught myself thinking a while ago that reading through the thread, this project was like a steam locomotive as a tribute to the coolness of Jim Leroy's Plane, and then when Jim LeRoy ended up being killed tragically, it became something more noble as a way to give something to his family. But ...... somehow the momentum has been affected.

I hope that the modeling community can pull it together for this and bring it home in the way it was intended. Because noble beats cool like rock beats scissors.

Anybody got any ideas? I'll listen.

I also would be happy to volunteer to put together a website that the whole modeling community could use to take a good look at this plane. They'll need to see it and they'll need to hear about it from all directions, and they'll need to know the whole story if the raffle is going to truly make a difference for Jim's family. I thought about volunteering to put the parts all together once they have been procured and created, and I could do a good job of that, but I'd probably be of much more use in the hype and go-get-'em department. Those are just some of my thoughts on that.

Jim

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/6/2008 10:45:28 PM   
tychoc



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I think you're right that a twin would make the project even "cooler". I think Stickbuilder is in the best position to judge if the plane can handle the extra weight without resorting to adding dead weight to the tail.

Also, if the community do decide to get one of those engines and we have the funds collected, then I'm a "platinum" member of hobbycity and as such get even better prices than you see. I'm not supposed to give those prices out, but I can get either engine about $20-30 cheaper than those prices you see

Let me know what you guys think and if there is enough support to contribute $ 10 or so apiece.

Let start committing contributions to see how much we could gather.

I'll start by committing $20.
If others wants to contribute, then keep adding posts to this thread and add your contribution to the total.

Previous total: $0
My contribution: $20
New Total: $20

It would be nice if we could get this one wrapped up given all the time already spent by many contributors. Especially Stickbuilder.

-tychoc

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/6/2008 10:51:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm in for $20.00 for the engine if the twin is okay in the deal.. to be determined by Bill or whomever he thinks has the working knowledge for the decision.

Previous total: $20.00
My contribution: $20.00
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New Total: $40.00


I also promised to take care of some of the detail parts like wheels maybe and some others.

Jim

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 9:13:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		My build skills are not up to anything of this caliber, but I could surly spare $20 for the cause. Shoot me an email At bstephens@kendallbear.com and tell me were to send the check and who to make it out too and I'll send it out by the 16th. I haven't had time to read the entire thread yet, but I would be willing to put up a flier at the LHS about the auction if anyone decides to make one. I think the more people you get interested in buying the plane, the more money that could be raised for the family.

I guess that makes the new total $60.00

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 10:37:00 AM   
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I'm not sure that a 50cc engine will do much more than fly this one around the pattern. Gordon used a G-62 on his, and wishes for a little more power. Why don't one of you look in the giant scale forum at his build thread, and ask him.

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 11:47:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Bill. That was a real need-to-know situation, and we sure needed to know whether it would fly the plane.

Once the engine has been decided on, let me know and I will still leave my 20 bucks committed to that. Whatever the engine, I still think that we can get enough guys together on this one to make it an engine worth having in it.
kbear, if you'd still like to leave your 20 bucks committed to this then we can add yours into the total. I think we'll hold off on sending the money in until we have an engine picked out and decide who we're going to send the money to.

Tychoc, does that company offer a larger size engine? Maybe we should look at that. I guess we should take the time to see what the reviews are on any engine we're considering too. If there are any issues with any of the potential engines I'd like to hear about them beforehand rather than afterward. I'm sure whoever ends up with the plane would appreciate that as well.

Anybody else have any thoughts on this?

Jim

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 2:11:18 PM   
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Status: online 		They have the 100 cc twin, but then we need quite a bit more donations.

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 5:15:40 PM   
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Looks like we'd need more donations, but even at 20 bucks apiece it's only 22 donors. Not too many. If we can get 25 to commit and allow for 3 dropouts, we can bring it home.

Now, we've gone from 50 right past the G-62 to a 100cc twin. Have we gone too far? It appears to be a custom engine. I was reading up on it and it swings a 28 X 10 prop. Would that be too big? What kind of prop did Jim's Bulldog have on it? This engine weighs 8.8 lbs and shows the muffler in the photo with it, but I cannot find anything in the text that actually states whether that weight includes the muffler. I'll continue to check it out. If this is the motor we want, is there any reason that we cannot create a list of companies that have donated items or heavily discounted items and talk to them about being in the website? With such generosity from the companies involved, we could reach our goals here much more quickly, and they could get some good press from it. This company you show here is in Hong Kong, I'm trying to find out where they ship from.

I don't think it will be that tough to drum up building revenue donations if we start to get companies and folks interested in the upcoming raffle and what the raffle is about. The two things should never be presented separately, the benefit for Jim's family means too much here.

I know that as a modeler I would have to spend some of my money twice for this. I honestly think a lot of the folks who get excited about this would do the same. We will have to generate some publicity, and THAT part I know I can do. What I don't know about is what my boundaries are here, what I can and can't do, what's too much and what's going to far with it. I know there is going to be some lag time while Bill and others continue their progress on their parts, and I know that there are even some special one-of-a-kind parts that will have to be made up. But we can use that lag time to find donors and generate some revenue for the building process, which could help with that part too.

I think that given the right incentives, the AMA mag and MAN and RC Report, etc., could each potentially donate some advertising space for this. Ideally, that would only be the tip of the iceberg. So, if I can talk on the phone briefly to the one or the few folks involved here who have the overall knowledge of the goals and the policies here, I can get started on it. If it's okay for me to do it, of course.

What do you think about this, Bill? And the suggested motor, too, of course.

Jim

< Message edited by Mainer_Jim -- 1/7/2008 5:33:52 PM >

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 7:21:42 PM   
tychoc



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Status: online 		Well at the rate pledges are coming in, I'm a little sceptic. I wish more could pledge a few dollars. It's such a good cause, and this seem like the little extra push the project would need to get over the slump it's in.

With you volunteering time to do a web page, we would have a pretty attractive package.

As far as the Hong Kong outfit, they ship from HK and it can take some time to get what you order if it's not in stock. I suggested these engines since the price is very attractive and with the lack of funds it seemed achiavable to raise this amount.

Just trying to get the ball rolling...

-tychoc

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 7:58:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The present pledge rates are not really relevent. If nothing were to change as far as the amount of information beying dispersed out there, then yes, I would be concerned too, but even then I wouldn't count it out. The RCU crowd as a whole is a good bunch of guys and gals. (see? I'm going for the ladies vote already!)

Does this company only take orders then bring in items to fill them? Or can we wait until the item is in stock and verify before ordering?

We're getting ahead of ourselves anyway, we don't know if that motor is right or if it's too much for the bulldog yet. Let's wait and see what the experts say. In any case, the wheels turn slowly, and we still need to see what it's going to take to get the ball rolling on this again. It was rolling once already, there must be some reasons why it faded so much.
Online chats and forums are interesting places. Guys who are so meek and who would never confront another person will show their teeth and get all nasty, I guess because of the anonymity factor. Likewise, people get all ramped up about something and then they sort of fade away. If you counted all the people in the WACO Brotherhood thread who showed up and then faded away without building a WACO themselves, it would show the same thing to be true. While I'm neither meek nor subject to getting caught up in fads, I am excited about both of these. For guys who fly RC, spending only 20 bucks in the LHS means your wife came in to make sure you really only DID pick up just that glue and that propeller. Like placing the impulse items at the checkout counter of the store, we have to make a website where the guys can see what we're doing, what a great thing it is we're doing, and how cool it is ( and then the hook), and THEY get a chance to own the thing in the end! So, we might pick up some of the original guys who helped start this, but we're looking for many more than that to get this done in a way that helps the guys who have been shouldering the load for 16 months so far, and to help put the finishing touches and gear on this plane to really make it something special. For instance, somebody is going to have to make the cowling for this plane, and it won't be a cake job, and since the available manpower factor here has waned substantially, it might require farming it out. If the cowl job is farmed out it won't be cheap. Still, in the end, it will be a one-of-a-kind model and really worth something. I think it can be done.

Tychoc, where is Cedar Park, TX? I'm going to be in San Antonio next week and I'm going to the Georgetown Swap meet too on the 18th & 19th.

Jim

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RE: RCU Builders come together to build Pitts! - 1/7/2008 9:31:35 PM   
tychoc



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Cedar park is between (sort of) Austin and Georgetown where you're heading. About 20 miles from Georgetown. I used to belong to GAMA before they moved the flying field too far north. (no to mention the "dust" issue...)

I wasn't planning on it, but maybe I'll try to stop by the swap meet on the 18th. The 19th is already full. The yearly Austin marathon is coming up and that Saturday I'll be running 20 miles in the morning
Maybe I'll see you there.

-tychoc

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