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bubbagates -> 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (8/27/2006 6:49:24 AM)

As the subject implies, this is going to be a long post as it's a comparison in regards to the changes I was able to readily see, the fixes AW recommends and supplies everything to apply those fixes.

Ok just a bit of history. On Yak #1 (first run of this plane) you may remember I was one of the ones that had the covering lift on one wing which resulted in the wing self destructing but not parting company from the plane until the impact with the ground and that was with me ironing down the covering which is something I do on all my planes before assembly begins and as needed just before the maiden. After a nice conversation with Rocco, I agreed to do a comparison between the first one and the new one, better known as Yak #2 (3rd run on this plane).

Yak #1 had 4 flights on it

Yak #1 specs

Da50
PT Models 22X8
Pete's 3.5 inch CF spinner
KS header
KE can
8611's everywhere
3 Fromeco 2400's (one on the ignition, 2 on the receiver
Smart-Fly Power Xpander
Smart-Fly SuperReg
All the stock hardware was used

Total weight 18lbs even

Yak#2 specs

3W 55i
3W aluminum "S" header
MTW can
PT Models 23X8
Pete's 3.5 inch CF spinner
8611's everywhere
3 Fromeco 2400's (one on the ignition, 2 on the receiver
Smart-Fly Power Xpander
Smart-Fly SuperReg
All the stock hardware was used

Total weight exactly 19lbs 3ozs

Ok, one of the very first things I noticed was the wings. I still had a good one left from #1 so I took a look to see if there were any differences and the one I found was there are now 1/4 square pieces of balsa stock out near the leading edge that go between the top and bottom of each rib. It also looks like there maybe some better wood in the area right behind the engine box but since mine was destroyed on Yak #1 I could not really compare them side by side.

The fixes that were recommended were applied to #2. This included applying clear Ultracote to the leading edges of the wings and stabs, some wood was epoxied around the landing gear and all the upgraded washers were used as well as the front hairpins. I only used the front ones because I found the best spot for the Badger switches I used were right where you need to do the cutouts for the rear anti-rotation pins so I could not use the rear hairpins.

When I added the wood for the landing gear block, I epoxied everything both top and bottom and not just where the wood came together as the instructions showed but in the process I accidently glued the landing gear cover on so now I must get a new one when I decide to change the main gear out for the CF main gear to try to lose a bit of weight [:@]. I also spent a ton of time getting all the covering ironed down and even to this day I still am getting a bunch of wrinkles, but it is getting less and less with each time.

Now even though #2 is 19lbs it sure does not fly like it weighs that much. As with #1 it took no trim at all, right thrust for my setup is dead on, CG is right on the mark and was set to the recommended setting, all throws are right where they should be. KE needs anywhere from a touch of elevator to about 7 percent depending on what rate I am flying at. It tends to roll towards the rudder in KE but it's so small, I just fly right though it. I tried mixing it but one percent was too much until I was on high rates and then all I needed was one percent for the last 2/3rds of rudder travel.

Landings have been a breeze, just get the sink rate setup and she comes in really nice all on her own. I have had a couple of not so nice landings and our field is not the smoothest either and the gear has stayed solid so the fix works.

I have just started to beat on the plane and I can say this much, I've planted it into a pretty fast wall today and nothing came off, I also did a decent parachute and still the wings stayed on. I landed after this particular flight to check out the wings and the mounting area in the fuselage and found nothing wrong at all. I've also spent a good bit of the last flight of the day doing low and high speed tumbles and everything stayed on.

Oh yea, one last thing, #2 has 26 flights on it now. The engine is showing signs of getting better.

For those of you that had the first run of these and had problems, I would say that you may want to think about the newest version if you are still in the market for a decent Yak.

For those of you that are looking for a decent Yak, give this one a serious look. In both cases I used all the included hardware so all I needed was the engine and electronics and I was good to go.




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (8/27/2006 7:25:52 PM)

Bill,
Good to hear that you are enjoying the new plane.




bubbagates -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (8/27/2006 9:38:34 PM)

Mark,

It's holding up well. Yep I'm digging it completely

Ids there any word on the 50cc Extra. I ordered one in Toledo and the last I heard they were due in mid-August




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (8/28/2006 1:22:45 AM)

We expect them to arrive in the next few weeks the container is supposed to be in the US some time this week, they are then loded on a train and are shipped to denver. I will let you all know when they arrive.




fatfreddy17 -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (9/9/2006 1:31:11 PM)

Last weekend I put my first flights on my third generation of Aeroworks 50cc Yak. I LOVE IT!

For me to get any kind of plane in the air in less than 1 week, wow, must have been a good kit.

I really like the slow flight handling of the plane, anyone can go fast, but it takes some good skills with a great plane to fly slow and graceful.

I am using the KS tuned pipe on my DA 50, I belong to 2 clubs, and 1 club has an issue with " loud gas planes " and that KS pipe is sooo quiet, it should change some attitudes about those " loud gas planes".

Early this spring I totaled my Cap. I had 8 seasons on that baby. I have been buying and flying a handful different planes the past summer, looking for something to replace my Midwest Cap. I can stop looking, this Aeroworks 50cc Yak will meet my demands.

freddy




ultra6a -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (3/26/2007 2:30:12 PM)

My Yak came in at 19lbs 8oz OUCH!!!

I have a new 3W-50i on it and it fly's like a tank on up lines. I'm replacing the wing tube, landing gear, and spinner with carbon fiber parts.

Hopefully the performance will pick up when the engine breaks in. Any suggestions on where I might save additional weight?




bubbagates -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (3/26/2007 2:47:00 PM)

Not really much more you can do except put a tuned pipe on it and go to Li-Ion if you are not already there. The pipe will add 500+ rpm to your engine, but it will move the CG backwards.

I'm running the 55i and I think it's a bit lighter than the 50i so that would explain some of the weight difference between yours and mine. The pipe is roughly the same weight as the canister 3w suggests for the 55i




undare -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (3/5/2008 2:39:33 AM)

My YAK was Gen 1 and I had few problems with the landing gear and I also had my firewall pop out one day during flight[:@]...all is good I learned to re-enforce the plane as every one is so weight conscious that they tend to compromise the quality in my opinion[&:]...last week I and others at the field witnessed something which was very strange [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]for an aerobatic plane, I pulled a wall 90 degree and the fuse broke [sm=drowning.gif]and the plane went into spiral...[sm=drowning.gif]

I wonder what should I get now since I loved [sm=thumbs_up.gif]my YAK and perhaps if the Extra 260 is stronger or the newer generation of the YAK is much more durable and stronger?

I like to hearing from AW staff with their suggetions.[sm=confused.gif]




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (3/5/2008 5:57:56 PM)

Richard,
First off I am sorry to hear about your loss.

All of our new QB's are stronger then the Gen 1's we had about 2 1/2 years ago. I think you would be happy with either one with the 260 getting the advantage in the weight department. The Yak however is a larger plane and that is where the weight comes from. Feel free to ask any more questions on here or give us a call.

Thanks,
Mark




UltimateFlyer120 -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (3/7/2008 12:43:27 AM)

I've had my eye on the AeroWorks 50cc Yak for several years. I just got a new one 2 weeks ago along with a DA 50 and servos. I'm ready to fly my Yak. How different is this brand new Yak QB from the ones 2 years ago?




iflyf4u1a -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (4/6/2008 3:05:46 PM)

That's a good question for Mark. I am considering this plane for a July/August purchase. I would also like to know if it is flyable the way it comes or do you have to do many modifications so it won't come apart in flight? I'm still reading threads to see what problems have occurred and what has been done to correct them.




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (4/6/2008 6:55:30 PM)

The planes have been reenforced in all of the areas we had issues with on the first run of Yaks. With the new planes there is nothing that needs to be changed or beefed up.




iflyf4u1a -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (4/6/2008 7:20:49 PM)

I just got done reading a 34 page thread on this plane[sm=spinnyeyes.gif] ! Do you mean the current run of Yaks for sale have been corrected in production for the leading edge covering issue, landing gear mounting block issue, engine box issue, and wing mounting bolt issue? Or do you mean the current run comes with the addendum and extra parts included? (Either way would work)




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (4/6/2008 7:29:31 PM)

The new yaks come with all of the issues corrected.




iflyf4u1a -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (4/6/2008 7:38:48 PM)

That's great! One friend of mine started flying one of your 100cc Yaks and another friend started flying the 90-120 Yak last summer and I was impressed with both. It was because of their planes that got me thinking about your 50cc Yak. Thanks for the info.




Barry Cazier -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/14/2008 5:40:55 AM)

[:)]Mark Dennis...
I'm considering one of your 50CC Yaks. From reading this, I understand the modifications have been done on the newest generation that will make it more sturdy. What about weight. I'm at 4800' and weight really matters up here in thin air. I'm certain you know what I'm talking about as you have a similar elevation. I'll be using a DA50. With a canister muffler I can get about 22-23lbs thrust at my elevation. My present airplane is about 16.5 lbs. What kind of realistic weight could I expect with your airplane? I'd be willing to purchase carbon fiber wing tubes but not the landing gear. I'm also considering a pipe on my next airplane. What kind of thrust change could I expect, do you know?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Barry




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/14/2008 10:07:17 PM)

Barry,
The new 50cc Yaks come in around 16.5-17 pounds. If you need to go with anything other than a stock muffler I would look very strongly into a tuned pipe instead of a can (Much better power). ES Composites makes a very nicec arbon pipe that will weigh just a few oz's more than a stock muffler and way more than a can. If you went with the composite pipe and carbon wing/stab tubes and maybe a carbon spinner the plane would come out VERY light and will do great at your elevation.




rcguy! -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/14/2008 10:10:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Dennis

Barry,
The new 50cc Yaks come in around 16.5-17 pounds. If you need to go with anything other than a stock muffler I would look very strongly into a tuned pipe instead of a can (Much better power). ES Composites makes a very nicec arbon pipe that will weigh just a few oz's more than a stock muffler and way more than a can. If you went with the composite pipe and carbon wing/stab tubes and maybe a carbon spinner the plane would come out VERY light and will do great at your elevation.

Mark,
Do have any recommendations on a header for the DA50 for use with the ES carbon pipe? Prop size also?
Thank you

Dave




Barry Cazier -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/15/2008 6:39:21 AM)

[:)]I ordered one of these planes today! They said it was in stock and should ship today or tomorrow. I'm excited to build it and fly it. I order the carbon fiber tubes, some MPI switches, Menz 22.8 prop, some safety clips, and a servo or two. Should be an excellent combo. I ordered the blue version.

I'm also gonna go with a pipe. I'll either go with the carbon one or the MTW that DA recommends. Should be better than a canister and just as quiet. I have a 25mm offset header for my DA50. Does that sound like the right drop?

Also, anyone that wants to chime in here with a bit of advice on precautions or recommendations, I'm always open to the advice. Always willing to learn.

My servo setup:
Rudder: JR 8711
Ailerons: Hitec 5945
Elevators: Hitec 5955
Throttle: Futaba 9001

Receiver: G3 Futaba

Batteries: Hobbic NiMA 2000mA, ultramax, 1 each for the radio and the ignition

If I can keep it around 17lbs or less with the pipe I should be in great shape. First weight savings idea: I'm gonna leave the wheel pants off.

Anyways, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Barry




Mark Dennis -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/16/2008 8:21:25 PM)

Barry,
Sounds like a great setup! I would however put the 5955's on the ailerons and the 5945's on the elevators. The ailerons are pretty large for this model and if your going to put those two servos any were on the plane that would give you the best setup.

RCGUY,
I'm not sure what you would need with the ES, give DA or ES a call and they can let you know.




Barry Cazier -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/17/2008 3:34:41 AM)

[:)]Got 1/2 my airplane today. (wings) The other box got routed wrong by UPS. New schedule, Monday th 19th. I hope the extra time on the brown truck doesn't hurt anything.
Anyways, still anxious.

Mark, I'll take your advice and put the 5955s on the ailerons. I orginally wanted them on the elevators because I like the quick response when hovering, but it probably makes more sense to have them on the ailerons.

THis week end I'll start with the wings. Get them built, except I don't think I got the hardware now that I think about it...dang. If they were gonna have one box late...why didn't they do the wings. I could've got going if I had the fuse box.

OH well,

Thanks
Barry




gregman50 -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/18/2008 1:47:37 AM)

I have had this plane for a year now and it is still holding up great, has a DA-50, Hitec 5985's on all surfaces and a 5955 on the rudder. The only problem I have had is with the MPI Miracle switches, they just don't hold up, next week I am changing all mine out to Fromeco regulators and Badger switches, keeping the TBM Li-Ions (x2) reciever and one on ignition. I also have the 75cc Yak/ZDZ Super 80 combo with 5955's all the way and Smart Fly reg and Power Expander with TBM Li-Ions. Hoping to maiden this bird next week.[:D]




Barry Cazier -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/18/2008 3:46:41 AM)

[:)]Man, I'm sorry to hear the MPI switches don't hold up. I have them in one other plane and I was gonna put them in this one. Hope it isn't a mistake.

I have a 75CC Yak (TOC brand). I have a DA85 in it. So far it's been nothing but problems. I'm taking a break from it with this 50CC plane. Hopefully, when I get back to the 75CC my mind will be clearer and I'll bring it into compliance.

Good luck with yours.
Thanks
Barry




gregman50 -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/18/2008 1:22:16 PM)

Sorry to hear about the 75cc Barry, hope you get it going I thought about one of those planes last year, I had the 50cc TOC before I ever finished it, that company just has too many problems for me, no customer service whatsoever! I guess I'm a loyal Aeroworks customer, I just like these planes, the way they build and the way they fly is awesome. I don't 3D do mostly sport flying here and aerobatics, if I want to do 3D I just give the transmitter to my good friend LOL! I'm thinking that my next plane will be the 100cc Extra or Yak, hard decision[8|]




Gungadin -> RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 (5/18/2008 6:02:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: gregman50

I have had this plane for a year now and it is still holding up great, has a DA-50, Hitec 5985's on all surfaces and a 5955 on the rudder. The only problem I have had is with the MPI Miracle switches, they just don't hold up, next week I am changing all mine out to Fromeco regulators and Badger switches, keeping the TBM Li-Ions (x2) reciever and one on ignition. I also have the 75cc Yak/ZDZ Super 80 combo with 5955's all the way and Smart Fly reg and Power Expander with TBM Li-Ions. Hoping to maiden this bird next week.[:D]


Yea the MPI switches don't hold up on a gasser. I have found the Electro Dynamic switches to be a more qualily switch (EDC-77 Ultra Switch II), that hold up very well. If you have one of each in hand you can easily see the quality differences. The only thing "miracle" about the MPI is that it is a miracle if it doesn't fall apart. Both of mine did, so I looked for replacements and found the Electro Dynamics Ultra Switch II, among others to be a quality switch. Just my two cents.[;)]




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