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50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 8/27/2006 6:49:24 AM   
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As the subject implies, this is going to be a long post as it's a comparison in regards to the changes I was able to readily see, the fixes AW recommends and supplies everything to apply those fixes.

Ok just a bit of history. On Yak #1 (first run of this plane) you may remember I was one of the ones that had the covering lift on one wing which resulted in the wing self destructing but not parting company from the plane until the impact with the ground and that was with me ironing down the covering which is something I do on all my planes before assembly begins and as needed just before the maiden. After a nice conversation with Rocco, I agreed to do a comparison between the first one and the new one, better known as Yak #2 (3rd run on this plane).

Yak #1 had 4 flights on it

Yak #1 specs

Da50
PT Models 22X8
Pete's 3.5 inch CF spinner
KS header
KE can
8611's everywhere
3 Fromeco 2400's (one on the ignition, 2 on the receiver
Smart-Fly Power Xpander
Smart-Fly SuperReg
All the stock hardware was used

Total weight 18lbs even

Yak#2 specs

3W 55i
3W aluminum "S" header
MTW can
PT Models 23X8
Pete's 3.5 inch CF spinner
8611's everywhere
3 Fromeco 2400's (one on the ignition, 2 on the receiver
Smart-Fly Power Xpander
Smart-Fly SuperReg
All the stock hardware was used

Total weight exactly 19lbs 3ozs

Ok, one of the very first things I noticed was the wings. I still had a good one left from #1 so I took a look to see if there were any differences and the one I found was there are now 1/4 square pieces of balsa stock out near the leading edge that go between the top and bottom of each rib. It also looks like there maybe some better wood in the area right behind the engine box but since mine was destroyed on Yak #1 I could not really compare them side by side.

The fixes that were recommended were applied to #2. This included applying clear Ultracote to the leading edges of the wings and stabs, some wood was epoxied around the landing gear and all the upgraded washers were used as well as the front hairpins. I only used the front ones because I found the best spot for the Badger switches I used were right where you need to do the cutouts for the rear anti-rotation pins so I could not use the rear hairpins.

When I added the wood for the landing gear block, I epoxied everything both top and bottom and not just where the wood came together as the instructions showed but in the process I accidently glued the landing gear cover on so now I must get a new one when I decide to change the main gear out for the CF main gear to try to lose a bit of weight . I also spent a ton of time getting all the covering ironed down and even to this day I still am getting a bunch of wrinkles, but it is getting less and less with each time.

Now even though #2 is 19lbs it sure does not fly like it weighs that much. As with #1 it took no trim at all, right thrust for my setup is dead on, CG is right on the mark and was set to the recommended setting, all throws are right where they should be. KE needs anywhere from a touch of elevator to about 7 percent depending on what rate I am flying at. It tends to roll towards the rudder in KE but it's so small, I just fly right though it. I tried mixing it but one percent was too much until I was on high rates and then all I needed was one percent for the last 2/3rds of rudder travel.

Landings have been a breeze, just get the sink rate setup and she comes in really nice all on her own. I have had a couple of not so nice landings and our field is not the smoothest either and the gear has stayed solid so the fix works.

I have just started to beat on the plane and I can say this much, I've planted it into a pretty fast wall today and nothing came off, I also did a decent parachute and still the wings stayed on. I landed after this particular flight to check out the wings and the mounting area in the fuselage and found nothing wrong at all. I've also spent a good bit of the last flight of the day doing low and high speed tumbles and everything stayed on.

Oh yea, one last thing, #2 has 26 flights on it now. The engine is showing signs of getting better.

For those of you that had the first run of these and had problems, I would say that you may want to think about the newest version if you are still in the market for a decent Yak.

For those of you that are looking for a decent Yak, give this one a serious look. In both cases I used all the included hardware so all I needed was the engine and electronics and I was good to go.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 8/27/2006 7:25:52 PM   
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Bill,
Good to hear that you are enjoying the new plane.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 8/27/2006 9:38:34 PM   
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Mark,

It's holding up well. Yep I'm digging it completely

Ids there any word on the 50cc Extra. I ordered one in Toledo and the last I heard they were due in mid-August

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 8/28/2006 1:22:45 AM   
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We expect them to arrive in the next few weeks the container is supposed to be in the US some time this week, they are then loded on a train and are shipped to denver. I will let you all know when they arrive.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 9/9/2006 1:31:11 PM   
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Last weekend I put my first flights on my third generation of Aeroworks 50cc Yak. I LOVE IT!

For me to get any kind of plane in the air in less than 1 week, wow, must have been a good kit.

I really like the slow flight handling of the plane, anyone can go fast, but it takes some good skills with a great plane to fly slow and graceful.

I am using the KS tuned pipe on my DA 50, I belong to 2 clubs, and 1 club has an issue with " loud gas planes " and that KS pipe is sooo quiet, it should change some attitudes about those " loud gas planes".

Early this spring I totaled my Cap. I had 8 seasons on that baby. I have been buying and flying a handful different planes the past summer, looking for something to replace my Midwest Cap. I can stop looking, this Aeroworks 50cc Yak will meet my demands.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 3/26/2007 2:30:12 PM   
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My Yak came in at 19lbs 8oz OUCH!!!

I have a new 3W-50i on it and it fly's like a tank on up lines. I'm replacing the wing tube, landing gear, and spinner with carbon fiber parts.

Hopefully the performance will pick up when the engine breaks in. Any suggestions on where I might save additional weight?

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 3/26/2007 2:47:00 PM   
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Not really much more you can do except put a tuned pipe on it and go to Li-Ion if you are not already there. The pipe will add 500+ rpm to your engine, but it will move the CG backwards.

I'm running the 55i and I think it's a bit lighter than the 50i so that would explain some of the weight difference between yours and mine. The pipe is roughly the same weight as the canister 3w suggests for the 55i

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 3/5/2008 2:39:33 AM   
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My YAK was Gen 1 and I had few problems with the landing gear and I also had my firewall pop out one day during flight ...all is good I learned to re-enforce the plane as every one is so weight conscious that they tend to compromise the quality in my opinion ...last week I and others at the field witnessed something which was very strange for an aerobatic plane, I pulled a wall 90 degree and the fuse broke and the plane went into spiral...

I wonder what should I get now since I loved my YAK and perhaps if the Extra 260 is stronger or the newer generation of the YAK is much more durable and stronger?

I like to hearing from AW staff with their suggetions.


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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 3/5/2008 5:57:56 PM   
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Richard,
First off I am sorry to hear about your loss.

All of our new QB's are stronger then the Gen 1's we had about 2 1/2 years ago. I think you would be happy with either one with the 260 getting the advantage in the weight department. The Yak however is a larger plane and that is where the weight comes from. Feel free to ask any more questions on here or give us a call.

Thanks,
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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 3/7/2008 12:43:27 AM   
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I've had my eye on the AeroWorks 50cc Yak for several years. I just got a new one 2 weeks ago along with a DA 50 and servos. I'm ready to fly my Yak. How different is this brand new Yak QB from the ones 2 years ago?

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 4/6/2008 3:05:46 PM   
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That's a good question for Mark. I am considering this plane for a July/August purchase. I would also like to know if it is flyable the way it comes or do you have to do many modifications so it won't come apart in flight? I'm still reading threads to see what problems have occurred and what has been done to correct them.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 4/6/2008 6:55:30 PM   
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The planes have been reenforced in all of the areas we had issues with on the first run of Yaks. With the new planes there is nothing that needs to be changed or beefed up.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 4/6/2008 7:20:49 PM   
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I just got done reading a 34 page thread on this plane ! Do you mean the current run of Yaks for sale have been corrected in production for the leading edge covering issue, landing gear mounting block issue, engine box issue, and wing mounting bolt issue? Or do you mean the current run comes with the addendum and extra parts included? (Either way would work)

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 4/6/2008 7:29:31 PM   
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The new yaks come with all of the issues corrected.

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RE: 50cc Yak comparison between run #1 and run #3 - 4/6/2008 7:38:48 PM   
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That's great! One friend of mine started flying one of your 100cc Yaks and another friend started flying the 90-120 Yak last summer and I was impressed with both. It was because of their planes that got me thinking about your 50cc Yak. Thanks for the info.

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