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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/3/2012 12:44 AM   
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Never took it that way, just wanted to make sure everyone didn't think I was trying to play the "know it all" with my "I just described what I've seen, obviously there is others I haven't" comment.
Bill, you are correct on the antenna length being "tuned" to the wavelength of the band. The higher the frequency, the shorter the antenna needs to be for optimum performance which is why I commented on Rich needing to be sure he didn't shield the antenna when he installed it. If the antenna is "shielded" in any way, it effectively "detunes" the receiver. BTW, this is something I was trained in when I was going through the Navy's avionics school in Millington TN back in the 1980s

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/3/2012 4:02 PM   
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Hi Hydro,
Dude, please don’t think that anyone thinks that you are a ‘know it all’. I asked specific questions that I was unsure of and you provided great answers which helped me better understand on how to proceed on my next steps.  

So with the last few posts in mind in addition to recently reading the Robbe manual here is a recap on what I learned:
1)      Be careful on choosing wires because not all wires are created equal- I think that there is a great take away here because those that heed this precaution can end up scratching their heads when the system doesn’t work as planned. It’s a good idea to try to understand the type of wires used in the original application and try to match it with the same type of wire to avoid power loss.
2)      The 75 MHZ system requires the receiver wire to not only run outside the boat but the antenna needs to be able to get reception from all 360 degrees in order for it to be effective. The main concern here became the radar mast because I plan on making it all or mostly metal. As hydro suggested it would be a safer bet to construct it from plastic because the signal can then easily pass through the mast on all sides. Again, there are more great takeaways here!!
 
For me to stay consistent with the high quality materials, in addition to me being stubborn  I’m going to continue with my goal on building a metal mast, but in respect to keeping up with Hydro’s good advice I decided to add an independent platform with a fixed metal rod antenna that will come off the back of the mast light and extend even higher than the mast light.  This will assist by allowing the boat to receive signal from 360 degrees and the cable wire will link right up to the solid antenna. (This antenna was purchased from Tower Hobbies so it is legit) As a way to show responsibility I’m going to test the reception on dry land so I don’t pose any risk to the boat.
 
I think these were very productive posts and thank you for helping me better understand how it all works!!
To Bill’s point about transmitters, the 75 MHZ and the 2.4 GHZ systems are two entirely different monsters. My 75 system requires the antenna to run outside the boat for optimum performance whereas the 2.4 system proves it doesn’t really matter. 

 Just last night I measured the length of my transmitter antenna on the Robbe F-14. I mentioned a couple of posts ago that it was the largest I’ve seen. Well, I took a measuring tape and measured it and this thing came in at 42” long!! It is some monster. Then when comparing it to Bill’s 2.4 unit that I personally used he has like a 2” antenna on it with awesome range. This shows that the technology is very different.
Another thing that I learned about the two systems is that the 2.4 unit is a great surface system but it is useless underwater where Subs are concerned. In this case the submarine guys all prefer a 75mhz system because it works well and penetrates underwater whereas the 2.4 bounces off water and is useless on subs. In the case of Dauntless, let’s hope it doesn’t try to show-off and  play submarine!
Shifting gears here, yesterday the other 4 rechargeable batteries came in for the Robbie F-14. I brought it home, installed them in the battery pack holder and plugged the charger into the TX. A couple hours later I flipped on the switch and the gauge quickly jumped to 100 percent. So I know that it registers there. The next step is rigging up the receiver and seeing if I can run another test, Once I see that it picks up a signal from the transmitter I will go ahead and start the wiring process.
Over the past couple of days I installed the software to the sound module on my computer. Man this thing is complicated!! I did find out however that the owner of the company did not load the bell and the air horn onto the module like he was supposed to. This really annoys me because I was very specific in my correspondence that I wanted him to have this unit pre-loaded and ready to go and he agreed to do it. So now the module only has the PT boat sounds and I have to get this guy to send me the other two sound clips and add them myself. I guess the only good takeaway here is that it forces me to learn the software part of this thing but I was looking for plug & play.
I did get to hear the PT boat sound on my computer and it does sound really cool. To wire up the module is again a bit complicated but after carefully reading the instructions I got it all to sink in.
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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/4/2012 7:24 AM   
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Interesting modern commuter yacht for Rich to order when he makes his millions - the Northport 58.

Seems they called them "picnic boats" in Canada, or maybe another common sea term I just didn't know about?

From the designer's press release: The original picnic boats functioned more as launches than yachts. They sped from city to cottage, up rivers and estuaries, across bays and gulfs, to islands and remote coves in sleek style as the sea-going equivalent of the classic, high-end, luxury automobiles of the day. They gave their owners not only a quick getaway, but also a grand on the water setting for luxurious weekend or weeklong excursions. The Northport 58 recreates and refines these vessels legendary elegance and luxury for a select few, for with the launch of the last of the limited edition, the molds will be destroyed. It is, in essence, the Bentley of the yachting world, built expressly for those who insist upon owning the very best.

In the Northport 58 interior, rich mahogany panelling with classic white ceilings, teak trim recreate, period brass hardware, and red button leather furniture recreate the luxurious, leisurely air of picnic boats of the past. The cool glow of the helms state-of-the-art electronics counterpoint the warmth of the traditional finishing materials of the absolute finest quality. Below, there are two large staterooms, each with private head with granite countertops; the forward has a queen bed, the aft a double.

Sources: www.yachtforums.com; TruVuSailingSystems.com





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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/4/2012 1:43 PM   
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Hey Dauntlessfan..I must say it sounds very appealing!  Now if only we had a couple million laying around..

And not to mention the model looks pretty good too!

Were you able to get started on Dauntless? I'm sure your college buddies would love to see her at the lake this year!! I think a couple all-nighters and she will be ready to go!!  

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/4/2012 5:02 PM   
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Hi captains,

Here is an update, This morning I made up the aluminum receiver panel for the wall and the receiver was epoxied inside of it. I also printed out the guages from the engineroom wall and glued them onto the panel. I have more detailed gauges so eventually when I have more time and identify the gauges I might replace them with better quality ones. Just above the gauges will be two red LED lights that will light up the panel. I will likely drill out an aluminum cover to go over the front panel and each gauge will look like it is installed.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/4/2012 7:32 PM   
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Glancing inside it's not a bad beginning for an RC boat engine room. I think the metalwork really sets it off from a viewing perspective...Gotta get the wood painted and finish the rest of the floor too..I will hang up the receiver panel after all the wiring is in. I think I will just screw it into the wall with tiny gold screws.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/4/2012 9:48 PM   
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Lookin good Rich!

I haven't started the drivetrain on mine yet, still procrastinating on ordering those shaft struts from MACK. Just have no spare hobby money lately. Need to clean out the garage and put some stuff on eBay. I have some vintage hi-fi equip from thrift stores... maybe it's time to let them go.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/5/2012 3:33 AM   
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well a little more headway started canopy messed around with mast im going to make mast so it comes off and i can use radar mast or old style mast mabey velcro dont know yet have to find right size guide wire for this mast and im not shure this one is to tall or to short what do you think

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/5/2012 2:38 PM   
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To me the mast appears to be about the correct height. I presume it was just for the owners burgee etc.

You might consider a brass tube as a socket for the two different mast to fit into. I believe it would be more rigid than a base fastened with velcro. I had a socket arrangement on mine initially and it worked well. I only changed it when i made the radar mast more detailed and felt I was not going to remove it for transportation. I used about a 1' length of tube soldered to a 3/4' brass plate that was then CA'd to the owners cabin roof.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/5/2012 5:40 PM   
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That Rx panel is a cool touch Rich!

BTW, are you going to get rid of those crusty old vinyl tubes on the Kroker's and put some fresh line on? I have some nice fresh crystal clear vinyl tube I could send you some, or you could use silicone fuel tubing.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/6/2012 3:56 AM   
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thanks i like that idea

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/6/2012 2:10 PM   
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Hi Dauntlessfan..Yep it’s time to thin out the dormant hobbies and refuel the hobby account!
Hi Deepsky..Both the canopy frame and mast # 1 are shaping up really nicely!! I agree with Bill It’s probably best to set up the socket arrangement for the base.
Hi Tom..I totally agree with you, the old waterlines do need replacing.  I currently have the silicone water tubes’ waiting to go in but thanks for the offer!! The water lines are going to be done once the four exhaust outlets are installed on the transom. For now the old water tubes are in place so I don’t forget the tube sequence.  It was very cool of you to make such a generous offer!!  Once you get the Dauntless hull be sure to post some pictures of it. I can't wait to see you get started on it!
Hi captains,
Here is an update..Last night I burned the midnight oil and got to work on Dauntless. I was able to do the following:
·         Wired port ESC to the receiver
·         Wired Starboard ESC to the receiver
·         Wired the rudder servo to the receiver
·         Wired the Robbe Multi Decoder to the receiver
All of these items except the Decoder had to be spliced and lengthened to get to the receiver. I used shrink tube and a soldering iron to reconnect the wires. It so happened that I had old (but good condition) RC receiver wire extensions that I was able to cut down and use for the connections. This should guarantee that the wires are exactly the same as what I was using because it is all RC hobby wiring. I used to have wiring that went the length of the boat before the ‘overhaul’.
While I was working on the receiver, the epoxy that held the metal cover to the receiver popped off. So as a fix I used some strong 3M double sided tape to do the job. I was pleasantly surprised on how well it worked. Afterwards I drilled through the panel brackets and into the bulkheads. Finally, I trimmed down the wood floor under the panel and I screwed the panel with the receiver secured to the bulkhead wall.
Next it was time to install the Robbe decoder and because I was so impressed with the 3M tape that I mounted the Robbe decoder in place with the 3M tape too. The Robbe decoder will be wired straight to the pwr distribution pnl and each bank of wiring for the lights will be wired straight into the decoder which will allow each room to work remotely.
 I’m still not out of the woods yet there’s still a lot more wiring to do.
Here are some pictures.
-Rich.


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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 4:08 AM   
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Hi captains,

Update: The receiver power wire is now wired up to the power dst pnl. Because i'm using the power box to provide power to the receiver the RED wire coming from both ESC's were cut so they don't supply power to the receiver.  

The lights in the forecastle are now hooked up to the Robbe decoder. I used small metal springs to connect the hull side with the cabin side. Also, I carved out channels in the mahogany bulkhead so that the wire and the spring can pass through the wall. A long time ago I posted pictures of the walles that are to be seen inside the cabin side. Those were also trimmed and carved out on the inner side so that the springs are secured inside the wall.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 4:46 PM   
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Good to see the progress, Rich.

No major Dauntless news here as I have been focusing more on the lobster boat before it's trip. I just built this cradle that I attempted to make look used with bottom paint splatters as I remember they all were.

Dauntless did get a new battery box since I have 2 more batteries on order to parallel for longer run time. I also have zero loss connectors coming to go between the motors and the ESCs.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 5:40 PM   
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Thanks Bill!! I really feel that progress is being made by installing the equipment and wiring it all up. Yesterday was the first time that I felt that completing this model is actually within reach and not just a vision or a goal. Soon I will flip a switch and see all of my hard work finally come to life.
That’s a really nice cradle. It has the old-salty boat yard looks that you would expect a Lobster boat to have. I’ve actually seen old wood boat cradles that were very similar to that one!! NICE!! I think the bottom paint on the cradle is a nice touch too! Before Dauntless is launched the bottom will be sanded and painted signal red. This is also going to cover the underwater intake work done last summer, take the shine out the bottom and the color is the same as what was in her big sister’s touch up inventory. Once the bottom is painted I’ll be sure to follow in your footsteps and splat some red paint on the cradle too. 
Today I’m going back to the auto part store to pick up the final two fuse holders.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 6:02 PM   
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Yeah Rich, in those days bottom paint was relatively cheap (and toxic) and no care was used in applying it except at the waterline. Working underneath the boat much of it got on the cradle and those of us using it.  It also did not last long and often the bottom would have to be repainted mid season.
I hope to make a Sunday in Queens soon possibly the 20th.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 7:33 PM   
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I hope to make a Sunday in Queens soon possibly the 20th.

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Hi Bill....I hope to make it out to Queens in the near future too. The 'honey'do' list has been stacked against me but lets see if I can join you on the 20th. When my son is born early next month i'm sure the list will only grow. This summer i'm sure I will be able to escape for a few Sunday club meets because I 'm not taking courses over the summertime. At the rate i'm going with the Dauntless there is a possibility that she may make it out this summer.

What is your schedule like this week? Is there a possibility that we can meet up for a lunch-hour sailing session?

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 8:10 PM   
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Rich it will be day by day this week so lets see how it goes with the weather and what I need to accomplish. At the moment I have some of the wiring torn apart anticipating the additional batteries and connectors. Probably Thurs or Fri would be best. LMK what you think. Of course I could always bring some of the other fleet members.

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hi i shure like that idea about the sockets. here is kind of what she looks like with top off

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 10:58 PM   
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Hi Bill,

Lets check out the forecast on Wednesday & see about Thursday or Friday...

Hi DeepSky,

She is looking more beautiful by the day!!! Nice work man!!  It looks so spacious without the top. It looks like a great place for fun & sun.  

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/7/2012 11:13 PM   
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now im going to have to make the cockpit detailed benches deck ext.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/8/2012 4:01 AM   
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Hi captains,

A little news from the drydock...The Dauntless works!!!!!  Tonight I finished wiring up the ESC extension wires and fuse holders that go under the lazarette floor where the LIPO will be. Then I attached all the pos and all the negs to a deans plug and plugged it into a LIPO. At first it took a little adjustments but now both the port, stbd motors as well as the rudder servo all work via remote control.
The force is strong in this one...I didn't dare bring the motors past 1/4 throttle.. 

The only thing that does not seem to work are the forcastle lights. I have to see what is going on there..I still have to wire up all the other lights on the hull side..

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/8/2012 4:16 AM   
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Hi Rich,

Looks like you've almost got all the burners going; almost ready for sea trials.

Hi Deep Sky,

As everyone is saying, you really have a beautiful boat you're building.  She looks "sporty' without the cover.

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Hi Rich,

Looks like you've almost got all the burners going; almost ready for sea trials.

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Hi Bob..Yep, she needs the rudders hooked up and I need to order:
 
(3) LIPOS
(3) LIPO Alarms
And a few extra LIPO Chargers

This all quickly made the 'father's day' list..

Once a few more things are done I need to recruit Bill with that rescue tug for sea trials!  

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 5/8/2012 11:45 AM   
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Bet it felt good to fire those babies up!!  Lights?? We don't need no stinkin lights!

The good tug "Folly" will be on standby.

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