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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 10/27/2009 11:48 PM

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Thanks for the tips Rich and Whitewolf. I'm going to glass the whole thing. I've done it before. I have been building models for 30 years and I find the dauntless to be very challenging.
It's going to be a fun project !

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 10/31/2009 9:26 PM

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Update,

Moving right along.

The molding is ready for paint which will happen when it is not raining.

I am off to the next segment. I am now taking measurements of all the windows and writing down the measurements and fine tuning each window. Next, is to cut out each window from thin crystal clear plexi, fit in each window & set aside. Then, the frames will be made up and be installed. The frames are going to be made from a thin durable plastic and painted with the cabins.

When the window frames are made, the frames for the 7 louvers will also be made up & installed.

I am hoping to have it all done within the next week. The "glass" will be installed after the cabins and frames are painted.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 10/31/2009 11:24 PM

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Update,

Moving right along.

The molding is ready for paint which will happen when it is not raining.

I am off to the next segment. I am now taking measurements of all the windows and writing down the measurements and fine tuning each window. Next, is to cut out each window from thin crystal clear plexi, fit in each window & set aside. Then, the frames will be made up and be installed. The frames are going to be made from a thin durable plastic and painted with the cabins.

When the window frames are made, the frames for the 7 louvers will also be made up & installed.

I am hoping to have it all done within the next week. The ''glass'' will be installed after the cabins and frames are painted.

-Rich.

wow this is a great thread . i will share this 1979 dumas dauntless that i have . going to put her in the water next week . have to up date some things on her

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/1/2009 8:49 AM

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Well...

It seems most of the accursed ammonia leaked out of my 'envelope' but there was enough to left to turn the ply almost black. I slapped it on the hull, and strapped it into place to dry. It dinna flex quite as much as I'd hoped, so what I did was added a strap at each frame, tensioning the side-panels into place as much as I can. I'll be applying first glue, and then a first coat of epoxy, to make sure the mostly-shaped side-panels don't decide to debond while I'm working elsewhere. It was goping to be done anyway... not much difference if its now, or later.

I ~may~ see if I can 'paint' some ammonia onto the outer hull-panel surface to let it flex more before doing the final gluing (I've only done the lower edge down by the chines at the moment) but wonder if its worth the attempt. Thoughts on this?

I ~AM~ going to wait until these panels are on before finishing the bow planking, as it'll stiffen the hull assembly considerably. As I handled the hull to get the panel 'tie-straps' in place, I shattered quite a few pieces off my balsa sheers. Then again, many of the protruding bits are not needed, but what is needed can be fabricated in the requisite spots from die-cut scraps and pieces from the frame interiors. Quite a bit of usable wood there, when you think about it.

Still no sign of the shipment, Butch. Gimme a hollar, ok?

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/2/2009 10:40 PM

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Hi Rich, I started glassing my Dauntless. I got half of the bottom done and I'm not happy with the finish. It's OK but I would like it smoother. I put a coat of resin on the hull then applied the cloth. Then I used a brush to smooth it out. I'm thinking about putting the dry cloth on the hull then using a small roller to apply the resin. What do you think. Be honest, I'm a big boy and I can take it. Mike

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/3/2009 8:19 AM

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Mike:

The one time I used FG resin with glass-cloth, I'd wished I'd done it differently to start, but as they say " Hindsight is the only perfect science" right?

If I'd done it as I thought afterwards, I'd probably lave laid down a thin coat of resin first, let it dry, then removed any obvious bumps. Then I'd lay the dry cloth down, and 'tack' it neatly with a few dabs of 5m epoxy or CA. That way the cloth wouldn't shift as I applied the resin to bond it to the hull. Roller, brush, whatever... so long as I left myself enough work time.

Thats one of the main reasons I preferred slower-setting hobby epoxy to standard glassing resin: much more work-time. The other is ease of mixing: a simple 50/50 mix, not a few drops of hardener to X amount of resin thing... (its the same reason I really hate using Bondo body filler)

Is there any practical reason not to use epoxy instead of FG resin? Not really.

In fact, between the longer work time (if you pick your epoxy right) and being able to thin the epoxy to paint thickness (with the Klenks stuff) its ideal for the task, and it will soak into the cloth and wood. Use it straight inside, and with cloth on the outside.

Or do they make FG resin thats easier to mix/use these days?

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/3/2009 12:15 PM

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Whitewolf, We agree on one thing. Theres got to be a better way. The bottom line Is that the FG resin and cloth does give you the desired result. The problem is that it's a painstaking process. I think I'm going to try the way you suggested on the other side of the bottom. I'll let you know how it turns out. Mike

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/3/2009 4:20 PM

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Hi Mike,

Glassing is not so bad when you get the hang of it; it is just a little messy.

Since Dauntless, I have done lots of glassing for surfboard repairs. (Surfing is one of my other hobbies.)

Here is a quickie on how I would tackle it:

Before glassing, put the dry cloth over the hull, mark with a thin marker, pen or something, then cut the cloth how you want it. There is a good possibility that you might have to cut the cloth on the keel near the bow to get the cloth form correctly in that area.

Once the cloth fits, remove it & mix up some resin.

Apply a coat of resin over the area to be glassed, evenly. A paint brush is the best way to apply it.

Apply the cloth.

Use something to comb the cloth to the resin and get any air bubbles out while it soakes up the resin. There might be a plastic squeegee thing included with the resin kit to do it, if not, old credit cards or similar will do the trick. Old credit cards ROCK for this application!

Start from the keel and comb or squeegee outward; just make sure that the cloth does not move from its position, but if it does, it is wet & can be adjusted. Make sure that the glass is wetted and there are no dry spots underneath..

After the glass is combed and all air bubbles are gone, and there are no dry areas under the cloth, apply a coat of resin over the cloth. The cloth should really disappear with this coat. Use the paintbrush to even out the resin before it dries. Also, gravity will want to do its thing, so don't put a thick coat on the cloth. This will save you time in excess sanding and an uneven finish later on.

*Tip: Don’t install the spray rails before glassing. It will be a huge pain in the a** to glass over them. Save that step until after all the glassing and sanding is done.

After the bottom is done, move onto the sides, just repeat the steps.

Although it was advised, I did not glass the cabins. I used epoxy instead. It kind of worked out for me because there was so much shaping involved that I would have gone through the glass anyway. It does take a lot of work to even out the epoxy coates. When you do lots of sanding, sometimes it may seem to be coming out perfect and then you hit a small air pocket which creates flaws (pits) in the finish. Then you have to go back and fill & sand each flaw until they are all gone which is time consuming. This is avoided by glassing.

If you are not going to shape the cabins, but build it stock, consider glassing them.

Hopefully this will help you a bit.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/3/2009 4:41 PM

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SpecialK,

Very nice!

Tell us more about your Dauntless! Do you have any pictures sailing her?

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/3/2009 5:05 PM

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Captains,

There is a better way to avoid all of the glassing on Dauntless!

Frame it out using Dumas bulkheads & instead of planking the exterior in wood, substitute it with aluminum. Use epoxy resin to fill the gaps and drill small holes where the aluminum plank gets epoxied to the bulkhead frames. The resin will fill the small holes in the aluminum plate and work like rivits.
Then, use Epoxy to fill only the seams and sand even.

Now, the hull will be ready for paint because the aluminum is already finished.

The hull will be the same material as the full sized original and collectible wise, it will be much more valuable than the wood counterpart.

This should take a fraction of time needed to glass, sand and even out a wood hull.

One of the many things that I have learned during this rebuild is that aluminum and epoxy resin work really well together.

One day, one day!

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/4/2009 12:35 AM

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SpecialK,

Very nice!

Tell us more about your Dauntless! Do you have any pictures sailing her?

-Rich.

thanks i did not build this one , but it inspired me to buy a new kit this week

I'm going to put new electronics in the one i have next week . i ran the motor . ran good . but i looking forward to my new build

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/4/2009 3:08 PM

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Hi specialK,

Cool, when you get this one on the water & get ready to build the next one, surely keep us updated.

Dauntless Captains:

Yesterday, I was approved by the family archive center to research Dauntless.

Tomorrow, I have an appointment at the reading room to sit down & examine all the photos taken of Dauntless while she was in LSR’s possession.

I feel like a child the day before Christmas!

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/5/2009 5:37 PM

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Hello Rich,
We are excited right along with you! Can't wait to see your future posts!

Chuck

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/5/2009 6:45 PM

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Butch:

Please contact me... no sign of the shipment. I'll see if Crappy Post screwed up and dinna leave me a parcel note, but thats only happened twice in 20+ years. Now UPS & FedEx, they never leave 'em, something about people claiming parcels that ain't theirs, idiots.

Contact me, ok?

Hope you're still doin' ok...
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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/6/2009 1:26 AM

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Dauntless Captains,

I just got back from the archive center. I spent about 6 hours in Dauntless heaven. I have learned a few new things today and reinforced the things I already knew.

When Dauntless was launched, she went through some changes to look like the Dauntless we now know. She did not have the bridgeshelter top on when she was launched, she just had a windshield just like the sketch in that write up we were chatting about a page or 2 ago. She also had a venturi, much like the one on her forward cockpit but it was below the windshield,again, like the drawing. I also saw a picture of her full speed at sea without the shelter top with a series of metal bars going around the entire bridge deck, making her look like a government experiment rather than a personal yacht. Very strange but very cool. It was an arial view taken from a helicopter or plane.

When Dauntless was launched, the local papers raced to take pictures to get the first write up. She was a major hit! I have to find the original article.

I was able to check out many interesting pictures, but according the the center, there are still tons of pending pictures that are not cataloged yet. I am going to check back with them for updates. I did not get to see the interior, ok a glance here & there, but I was able to get all the colors that were cataloged in the designers notes. I did see the ships wheel & other details that were very beautiful!

Some other quick notes:

Dauntless did not have ladders in her aft cockpit. It was just seating along the entire back wall with another 2 leather upolstered fishing chairs. All of the seating there and in the bridgedeck was done in red leather. I did not see any ladders on her exterior, but she had one removable boarding ladder that clipped to the hull. It was varnished mahogany.

The exhaust out the back was also really interesting. They were not just 1 exhaust pipe on each side, but 2 really large exhaust pipes on each side but they were also offset from each other rather than next to each other. It was interesting and I have never seen it like that on other yachts. That is why we seen so much water rushing from there.

There were a bunch of other things as well. I have to go through my notes and sort it all out. I took about 10 pages of detailed notes today.

Laurance had his own model of Dauntless made. It was small, 1/24 scale or so, and it was an exact replica of Dauntless in a nice display case. It was cool to see the owners personal miniature. It was likely made by S&S and was a custom scratch build.

Many of the photos seen today looked just like how I have envisioned Dauntless so we are on the right path!
Now, It's time to sort through & apply this info.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/6/2009 1:49 PM

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Thanks Rich, I have some honey do's to catch up before I get back into my Dauntless project. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/6/2009 7:35 PM

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Dauntless Captains:

Here is something that can be useful to you all.

Below is the official original color arrangement to Dauntless:

Hull: Royal Blue

Bottom: Signal Red

Cabin sides exterior: Semi Gloss White

Hull Decks, cabin decks, tops and fly bridge interior sides: Battleship Grey

Interior/exterior Trim: Varnished mahogany

Helm: varnished mahogany with Chrome controls for port & STBD engines.

Ships Wheel: Varnished mahogany

Aft cabin interior: International grey with mahogany trim

Main cabin: Cream with mahogany trim

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/7/2009 3:09 AM

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Rich:

PLEASE tell us you were able to make copies of these 'as-first-launched' pictures!

It would be very interesting to see what those rails might have been...

My guess? Depending on location, perhaps they were for navigating the side-decks while the boat was at speed? That was one thing I did note - no way to get from fore-deck to cockpit safely: no handrail, no edge-rail or safety line. But after the 'sea-trials', they may have been removed as 'un-necessary equipment' as most wouldn't be traversing fore/aft while the boat was in transit, yes?

Would also like to see the cockpit without the permanent canopy... That 'Design Section' article shows it without the permanent top... and one might tale the lines running back from the fore-deck safety-line to the cockpit door to be those 'bars' you mentioned, a safey-line attachment point I guessed at?

The 'inboard profile' plan diagram shows the uncovered cockpit, and the 'venturi' (aka wind deflector) down at the base of the cockpit windscreen, and the windshield on the bow seating area one can be seen (and is noted) as well. I remember some of the later 40's and early 50's cars had these at the 'top' of their windscreens by the roof, often done in chrome. Many tractor-trailor semi's have them now too, and on the nose of the engine cowling as well.

Shame about the ladders... after all that (idle) work making a few from balsa. Ah well, can always use 'em as display items... or mebbe use 'em on my refitted AE.

Hope you can get those pics up (or mailed)... if you got 'em.
WhiteWolf

PS: I was just looking back at images of the aft cabin enterior, and something looks odd... mebbe a negative got flipped or summat? Here is whats baffling me:

All three images posted here in the past (labelled Kv17005, Nt46108, & Xq44864) show an access ladder to the deck being on the LEFT side of the image, right? BUT any shot of the forward access from that aft cabin area to the main cockpit would put that access ladder/door on the RIGHT side of the image, correct? Now Kv & Nt appear to be of the same era, but not left/right of the same cabin. Nt has a fire extinguisher beside the ladder, Kv has an odd cast-pewter-ish emblem on the cubboard, and Xq has a shorter ladder (4 steps to the floor-block vs 5 of the other two) I'd personally say Nt & Xq are the same cabin, but at different times, due to the standard location of the sink on the far wall, the range/stove on the right, AND the differing electronic gear behind the access ladder, not to mention the curve of the deck/cabin support the ladder is attached to. So why the shorter ladder to the deck-box in Xq? Redesign when the engines were changed, perhaps?

So that leaves Kv as the odd picture out. There are distinctly odd things in the Kv image: what looks like a round porthole on the right side above the counter facing aft, and an oblong one on the left above the counter facing the side, and the edge of a second be seen above the seating. The only place on the boat where there are oblong windows is the forecabin! This ~should~ make it the main cabin galley, forward of the cockpit, facing aft... BUT the ladder is too big! Plans show its only two steps up, and to the main cabin, NOT the cockpit, and plans show the access centered in the hull. Also, the curve of the deck/cabin support the ladder is attached to is less pronounced... if I had to assume flipped negs, I'd assume this is the one facing toward the cockpit, and the other two face AFT, toward the rear 'sundeck'...

Mebbe Rich's research can provide some answers. (not that I'm going to build the interior, its just inconsistancies and puzzles like this really bug me)

PPS: Anyone notice Dumas also missed that loop-antenna on the starboard foredeck? Its mast can also be seen in the images of the film cameras being set up (its the dark upright rod on the foreground of the image) Was that for the radio-telephone, or was the extra whip on the mast (the .041 piano wire) used for that? Rich, if your verbal data is this enlightening, I'd gladly be willing to donate a few bills for images/scans. Let us know, won't you?

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/7/2009 7:00 AM

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Wow, great nuggets of info Rich, thanks for taking the time to post some of your finds! I finally moved out of an apartment and into a house. So I got my garage back and hope to start updating my Daunless as soon as I find all my dang tools

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/7/2009 9:00 PM

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Hi Whitewolf,

No, I didn’t get that picture with the rails, I kinda wish I did, but I ran out of time. The place had closed when I found out I could get pictures so I missed the opportunity to get a bunch of those pictures.
I have no idea what those rails were. They were only in the bridge deck area. It seems that you could throw your hand up and grab one anywhere you stood in the bridge deck area. They were not on Dauntless when she was launched. It was done afterwards for some reason still unknown.

Your guess is right about the wind deflectors. It was an aerodynamics thing and was just like the one depicted in the original drawing. Actually, the yacht looked just the one depicted in the drawing. In person, Dauntless looked awesome without the shelter top. In the pictures she looked like a large floating hot rod. You could tell that Dauntless meant business and she was no slow gentleman’s yacht. In fact, she was referred to as a speedboat. Dauntless was not about luxury, but about speed and had a PT look to it. I am incorporating that look into my boat, which is very different from how I originally perceived her. What I thought Dauntless looked like and what she is becoming is pretty different.

The shelter top makes her look more refined, but she was very impressive without the top. Had it not been for all the work done to make up the shelter, I would consider setting her up without the shelter.

I will have to get back to you on your next set of questions, I don’t have the pictures you are referring to near me. I am guessing the Dumas pictures vs the S&S blueprints. If that is the comparison, Dumas’s window placements, ETC are not consistent with the S&S blueprints. I modified everything to be consistent with the S&S drawings.

On the PPS, That is probably for the boat radio. I am not use where the radiophone antennae was, probably also on the radar mast like you suggested. I am going to add that antennae once the rails are on. Behind it also on the starboard side is the direction finder. In the main S&S picture that we have on this forum, it looks like a bulls eye thing on the center of the main cabin. It was actually starboard after all. The base was grey & the circular part was red.

I did get 2 pics from the center & will likely get more later on. I cannot post them here because of copyright reasons. I had to be interviewed and sign a bunch of legal disclaimers before looking at anything.

The best picture of the day was taken by a local newspaper. This showed Dauntless without the top and she was in the process of being docked. This picture was chock full of detail. I am going to locate the article with the picture for this forum. This way, I don’t break any archive rules and can link us to that awesome article and picture.
I will work on locating it soon, I took down all the info, dates, etc.

Dauntlessfan,

Congrats on getting a house with a garage! It would be awesome to see you hook up Dauntless.

Ok captains, the epoxy should have dried, so it is off to painting. I am using lots of grey today.

-Rich

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/8/2009 3:27 AM

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Ok Rich, I'll tackle this item by item...

The 'cockpit rails' - where they inside the cockpit, or outside, and at roughly what height? About where the trim-rail is shown on the drawings, the level where the main cabin 'steps' inward on the sides for the cockpit walls? perhaps higher or lower? Without images, I'd ~bet~ they were rails for attaching a safety-line to for traversing fore/aft while the boat was in motion, or in bad weather. If you went overboard, you could hawl yourself back, or someone could use it to pull you back. They are used all the time on the racing sailboats. No special name, just called safety lines.

I wonder if it would be possible to assemble ~two~ cockpit upper partial-cabins: one without the permanent shelter top, that sits atop the roof of the main cabin; and a second one, built as per Dumas images, but is designed to use the same mounting points as the open assembly (would have to rig some up). Think of it as a variation of the removaable cockpit canopy idea for the cockpit that was discussed. This way, one could have ~three~ options: #1 - original fully-open cockpit; #2 Dumas-imaged semi-enclosed cockpit (hardroof'd in front); & #3, Forward Hardroof w/ aft tarpaulin in place for bad weather.

See the attached image for the best Dauntless image so you can see the wire-loop antenna on the main cabin roof, starboard.

Good luck on finding the articles... Would really like to see those images of the rails, the cockpit w/o the partial-roof, and the other stuff...

WhiteWolf

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/8/2009 4:35 AM

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The rails took up the entire bridge deck. They were seemed to have began from one central point, behind the helm from one large stanchion and branched outward to different areas around the deck where they were mounted to the decks. I cannot describe it, I would need to get you a picture. It was only in one picture and the other pictures from that time period did not have it.

It could have been a safety line of sorts, it could have been useful for the crew to grab onto in rough seas when the yacht was flying, but it is just speculation. It could have been the rods to an early bridge rag top. The actual picture could be a discussion in itself, I will make sure to request it.

Yes, I’m sure it would be possible to assemble two different shelters for Dauntless.

The wire loop antenna is the direction finder. I have seen close ups of it. It is actually on the starboard side just ahead of the bridge shelter. The long base is grey & the circular part is red. It rotates for reception.

Once I get good pics, I will share with you.
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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/8/2009 7:01 AM

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Rich:

The rails were on the ~inside~ of the cockpit? Then I'd guess they were for harnesses to hold crew in place, if there were no proper seating arrangements like in a race boat. it would prevent the crew from being thrown to either side or backward away from the controls. When you're pushing a boat like that to its top speed, it bounced something fierce over the wavetops... (ever seen the race-boat scenes from the new Miami Vice movie? They have crash buckets, AND multi-point harnesses to boot!

If ya can't do a pic, how about getting some popsicle sticks (or similar) paint 'em black, and using silly-putty or that blue poster-tak stuff, tack bits in place to show where the rails were in your cabin, hmmm? I'd do it to my unfinished one, but mine isn't that far assembled... Wonder if I could tack/tape mine together for a 'guesswork-simulation', and you can tell me where my guesses are wrong. How about it?

As for the loop, I'd figured it was a direction finder... seen too many in the movies on the WW2 detection trucks/vehicles.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/8/2009 4:25 PM

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Hi Whitewolf,

I am going to make sure to get that picture & will forward it to you. I am not going to add that feature to my Dauntless because I am going to keep the bridge shelter. My Dauntless will portray the 1950's "refined" version which was like the picture you posted above, but once I get you the picture you might want to add it to your yacht. It was very cool & someone should do it. The main stanction that all those bars were connected to did carry into the bridge shelter. It was behind the helm so that the captain could grab on if needed. It was necessary for a yacht that fast. Dauntless had 2 captains chairs beside the helm and seating along the entire back wall. There was no seat at the helm. There was a varnished wood stand that the captain would stand on to get a better view.

The designers of Dauntless did a great job on Dauntless. She reminded me of a tribute to the might of the U.S. forces during WWII, which the owner was a big part of. Although Dauntless was a powerful and masculine looking yacht, she also had grace and tons of charm. It took some creative people to tie together a military look while making her appear classy at the same time. She was certaily unique and very different from the all common white & varnished wood yachts that were common amongst the wealthy at that time. She was a colorful yacht that commanded attention and possibly a salute.

On a seperate note, the interior of my Dauntless was painted grey. She looks great, very military.

I still never would have thought this a week ago.

This yacht seems to be taking me on an interesting journey & I am glad to share this with you all. I wish all of the Dauntless-fans were with me at the archive center. It was so cool.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 12:59 AM

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Hi Gang, I been off doing nothing at Veterans Hospital for a while. For every time I would look up at the night sky, I would get head spins, and pass out. I would come to, and be yucky for a good hour.
The doctors found out, I had a spinal healing spur pressing against my spinal cord. Plus there is about 21 spinal spurs on my neck and back, and no cushion, just bone to bone.
They want to send me 40 miles away to a surgeon, to operate pretty soon. When I just get great news after three years waiting for my ssi, or ssd. They finally approved me for both.

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