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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 3:39 AM   
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Hang in there buddy & feel better!

Dauntless captains:

Here is a little research assignment for you guys:

There was an article written about Dauntless on Tuesday, June 8, 1948 about Dauntless. This article was the first article written about Dauntless contained a very cool picture of her without the shelter top. This picture was full of original details.

The name of the newspaper was: "The Standard Star" - New Rochelle, New York Tuesday, June 8, 1948. The parent company of the newspaper was: Westchester County Publishers, Inc.
I don't know the name of the article, but we need to track down the newpaper company, the archives and try to locate that paper from that date.

I did not get the name of the article, (I could not find it) but was able to get those listed details.

Have fun!

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 4:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Rich there, Butch,

Glad to see they are finally coughing up for medical. Been there myself, and may have a fight again myself. They may want me to shell out $700 US for my IV feeds pump (thats just the pump, no ambulatory battery pack or charger), when the former gastro-feed pump and IV pole were bought for me. I'm pretty sure they'll buy it for me like the last one, but that paperwork was really messed up, and by the time they'd bought it, I was a few months from not needing it!. I can even 'donate' 'em back, if they get snooty about it...

Rich:

I did a google on the name, and I got a few ~critical~ tidbits you could follow up on:

Standard Star (current address)
92 North Avenue
New Rochelle, NY 10801
914-694-5331
Publisher: Westchester Newspapers, Inc.
Dates of publication: 1923-1998
Description: Ceased Oct. 1998.

Historically: (1923) Two of New Rochelles's daily newspapers, The Evening Star, established in 1909 by Robert Lucas Forbes, and The Standard first issued in 1909, merge to become The Standard Star.


But you know all that, right? HERE is the critical tidbit: ARCHIVES!

The following locations apparently have archive copies of the relevant year: originals, microfilm, etc.



SUMMARY HOLDING: New York State - Rgn, Albany, NY

Dates Available: 1923-1998
Last updated: 06/2003

Available as: Microfilm Service Copy
Dates: 1931:1:2-1998:9:30
Last updated: 06/2003



SUMMARY HOLDING: Westchester County Historical Society, Elmsford, NY

Dates Available: 1948
Last updated: 08/2001

Available as: Original
Dates: 1948:6:17
Last updated: 08/2001



SUMMARY HOLDING: Westchester Library System, Ardsley, NY

Available as: Microfilm
Dates: 1923-1998 0,5,8
Last updated: 12/1998

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How's that for research Rich? You have the date, and probable locations (the Historical Society seems iffy... I'd try the other two first.) Do I get brownie points for finding your archival copies? (or what we HOPE are archival copies...)

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 3:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great find Whitewolf,

You have certainly earned your stripes!

I will give them a call & see if I can get them to e-mail me a PDF copy of it. The article was just as interesting as the one done by yachting magazine.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 9:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Captains, I'm almost done glassing my dauntless. Thanks for all the great tips. One tip was really great. One post suggested usind an old credit card to smooth out the glass and cloth.  This works very very good.  The hull requires very light sanding after using this process.  I cant find who sent that post,  but I thank you. Also, could someone give me a quick lesson on how to upload pictures on this site. Thanks. Mike

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 10:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you hit the "Post Reply" button, you'll be taken to the reply screen. At the bottom left of the box you write your message in is a link that says "click here to upload images and files". That will bring up a new small window where you hit the top "Browse" button and find the location on your PC of the pic you want to upload. Do this same step for up to 12 images. Once done, hit the "OK" button and it will say please wait... Then you'll see a confirmation that the files uploaded sucessfully. Press "OK" and you'll be back at the original reply form.

Here's where people get hosed: Eventhough it won't look any different or show any pics in the reply form, click "OK" and the pics should appear.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 10:41 PM   
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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 10:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Captains, No pics of my Dauntless yet But I want to test How to upload pictures.  Here are a couple pics of my other boat project. I am restoreing a 1965 Chris craft 43' Constellation.  my current project is replacing the rotted wood around the pilot house windows. Mike

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/9/2009 11:37 PM   
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I'd love to work at restoring a historical boat... or tank, jeep, whatever. Closest I can come is restoring a model boat (like my A.E.) and its been a chore to get it back to a near-bare hull. I still need to take the deck down to an even level, as it was badly stripped with a Dremel drum sander, and has drum-divots all over it. I'm going to see if nephew's GF's dad has a belt-sander, as my small B&D Mouse-type detail sander just isn't up to it (though its handled the rest, both A.E. & Dauntless, admirably)

Just remember Mike:

LOTS OF VENTILATION. First time I tried to waterproof a hull, OY. I did it in a basement with no fans and no open windows. No buzz, sadly, but one HECK of a headache by the time I was done. From then on, I had at ~least~ one 12" fan pulling air out & away from my work. And here, I have ~two~ 16" fans, though I try to pick days when its decent outside for work like that.

Good luck with the Connie Mike... gonna give her a Tuna-Tower? Or is that too cliche/passe' these days?

WhiteWolf
~almost~ ready to begin planking that d*mned bow...

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/10/2009 3:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Mike,

I'm glad the glassing tips worked for you! The same techniques can be applied to your Chris Craft if you decide to glass it, it is all relative.

That is a great project you have there with the Constellation! I grew up around many of the old cruisers and have always been fond of them. (and I also slaved over as well as enjoyed them in the summertime) It is that charming style that initially drew me to Dauntless. Once I eventually move back to the city, I plan on picking up an old cruiser, but likely from the 50's.

Best of luck on your restoration project & I can't wait to see your Dauntless progress underway!

It will be great when you can kick back and sail Dauntless off the back of the Chris Craft!

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/11/2009 1:11 PM   
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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/11/2009 1:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		    Rich, If you like building wood models you will love working on an old Chris craft.  A fifty's boat would be awesome,  I picked the connie because it has a fiberglass upper deck.  My hull is very solid.  Once I get the pilot house done I should be able to keep up with the maintenance. 

    The dauntless project is going well.  I'll be glad when I can put the sanding block down and get back to building the model.  Once I get the final sanding done on the hull I'm going to Install the running gear and motors before I move on to the upper cabins.  I'll send pics of the final sanded hull. Also Rich and Whitewolf, Can you recommend some good electric motors and ESC'S.  I want it to go fast, VERY FAST.  Talk to you later.  Mike.
   

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/11/2009 4:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Mike,

I have a passion for charming old yachts & cruisers, so the day will come when I will get my chance to maintain or restore one. My wife and I plan on moving back to the city in the next couple of years, so I will have dock access again. I can’t wait, but until then, I will get the Dauntless project completed.

To get Dauntless to go fast and be reliable, I would recommend Astroflight motors. They are heavy duty, great quality & will give you fast speeds. The Astroflight 25’s or 40 Marine would be a really good motor to choose from. I will be running (2) brushed 25’s in mine @ 12V giving her about 10,000 RPM’s, but since I bought them, Astroflight went brushless on all their motors. I think the new brushless 25’s and 40’s put out even more power. Check with Astroflight.com and look up the specs on the new 25 or 40 marine motors and pick the faster one.

M.A.C.K. marine also have a fast motor combo for Dauntless, so perhaps you might want to check with them as well.

**I would not recommend high RPM racing boat motors (17,000+) because although they are rated at high RPM’s they don’t have the power needed to push a heavy boat like Dauntless. They will just draw lots of Amps, give you awful runtime and burn out. Save those for the super light hulls.

There are a few good forward & reverse ESC’s out there but to stay consistent, I went with Astroflight Harbor Master ESC’s, but there are other good ones that someone could recommend that may cost less.

Dauntless captain:

Here are some recent pictures.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 1:36 AM   
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She keeps getting better looking all the time. Please keep the photos coming.
A tip to builders: Cover or plug both ends of the stuffing boxes until you are ready to install the drive shafts. It is easier than removing paint and dust from the bushings.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 2:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Chuck,

Great tip!, I'm guilty, my stuffing box must be a mess by now! Thanks for the reminder, I should clean it & plug it up.

I am now onto the cabins, I'm working around the windows & such to get it paint ready. Still lots of little things to do.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 3:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings captains,

Last night, I resumed work on the exterior cabins, which will be my focus for the remainder of the year. One of the things done was leveling the cockpit door frame which was a bit off. I epoxied a shim in place & will do some additional work there to get it ready for a door. When the final door frame goes in, it will be varnished mahogany. The door itself will be painted white.

In the pictures below I focused on another detail. No, it is not me just being sloppy and trying to find an easy way out. These are support beams noted in the blueprints that go into those corners, so I did it. They appeared in a few photos that I have seen as well. Just as the plans required, solid mahogany beams were installed. They will be painted white along with the back and side walls.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 4:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings captains,

Soon I am going to tackle something I wish I did not have to; moving the bridge gates forward.

I did not have a copy the Dumas plans when I originally cut them, just the gate measurement itself, so I eyeballed it using the main S&S Dauntless picture, which from the angle taken seemed right. So, the gates ended up a bit further back than they should be. I decided to move them forward to their proper locations which will create a proper space between the louvered vent and the gate on the yacht. There was also a handle on the wall between the louver and the gate that I eventually want to go there.

This is going to be some job!

I could leave them or alter the gates, but the yacht will not be historically correct, so I would rather move them now than to ignore it and be sorry later. (I am my own biggest critic)

In the end, it will all work out!


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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 9:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rich, The pics look great!  I plan on using varnished mahogany as much as possible. Mike 

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/12/2009 10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Captains, Here a couple of pics of my Dauntless. As you can see I'm still in the early stages of the project.  I have the first coat of resin ang the cloth on.  next step will be the final coat of resin then I'm going to install the running gear and motors before I prime it. Mike

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/13/2009 2:33 PM   
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She looks great! I did not realize you were so far along.

Keep us posted on your updates!

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/14/2009 11:24 PM   
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Dauntless just came out of surgery and it was a success. She is resting now. I put this boat through so much!

Before I started, I looked at Dumas’s instructions and compared them to my materials. Dumas wanted the louvered vents to be spaced 1” apart from the gate on each side. There was no way I was going to do that, so I had to reevaluate.

I did note however that Dumas suggested to have the vents to begin ¼” forward of the back wall. It seemed plausible so I did that. I moved the vents ¼” and used (2) 1/8” planks to fill in the space. Then I had to add additional 1/8” planks over the vent.

I made up a makeshift gate from plastic and used it against my photos to determine where the gate should start. Over much deliberation between 3/8” and 4/8”, 4/8” won out. I later used that "gate" to keep the saw from hitting the deck while cutting.

Then came measurements, cutting, fitting and all that good stuff.

Next, I will lightly sand, some additional filling, sanding and will prime.

I did learn something about the gates. At one point, I thought that there would be an additional box added to the gate to fill in the width of the bridge sides. I thought this was so because I saw wood trim on top of the gate which suggested it was thicker than it was. One of the former owners also thought that was the case. I found that it actually was not the case at all, there was a stain mahogany board nailed to the inner part of the gate. The board came up above the gate and was level with the trim on the wall giving the impression that the trim continued on top of the gate.

Also, the gate had a locking mechanism that I just could not believe. It was just a simple hook and eye that latched the gate in place. It was just like the ones found in a hardware store. Things were much simpler back then. I don’t think that would fly on a $2 million dollar yacht today.

*TIP: USE PAINTERS TAPE WHEN USING EPOXY!

When filling gaps, etc using epoxy, take a piece of painters tape and tape over the area just filled. Rub the tape in place, use your finger to rub it smooth and let the epoxy cure.

When the epoxy cures, the tape will be easily removable creating a smooth epoxied surface that just needs a light sanding. It is much better than sanding a lumpy surface which can be very time consuming to get smooth.

I use Devcon Epoxy Gel. I found the gel easy to use because it does not run.

Anyway, Here are some pictures!

-Rich.



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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/15/2009 8:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing work Rich as usual. I think it's time you started on a full size restoration . How about this one (go to FleeBay and put 280423825955 in the search box)...?

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/16/2009 3:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Dauntlessfan,

That boat needs a lot of work, almost as much as my Dauntless..

Today, I spent most of the day sanding, filling, and sanding some more. The exterior bridge walls are just about ready to be touched up. I still have a small area to finish sanding on the port side before I can spray it with paint..

Between sanding & such, I removed some of the old wall supports and began making up new ones from solid mahogany. So far, the new starboard supports are ready to be epoxied in place. Next, I will make up the supports to port .

As soon as that area is finished, I am going to finally get the bridge storage doors installed & plate the bridge walls with aluminum. Once that is done, the bridge will be ready to be painted grey.

To make the canopy frames more like the original Dauntless, they will be mounted on the top of the bridge walls like her big sister. So that the canopy still can be removed as originally intended, I picked up 1/8” eyelets which will be drilled & installed onto the deck where the canopy supports should go. Then 1/8” rods will be used to make the canopy frame which will slide into each eyelet. This technique will also be applied to skiff davit on the port side. It will just slide into the eyelet I be ready to go. This will be simple and easily removable.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/18/2009 10:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Dauntlessfan,

If I had some extra $$ to invest & a place to drydock her, this would be my restoration of choice:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1928/Stephens-CLASSIC-EXPRESS-CUSTOM-CRUISER-2094375/North-San-Francicco-Bay/CA/United-States

One day, the right one at the right time will fall into my hands.

-Rich.

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/18/2009 11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn, I hate having messed-up lungs.

A few of ya knew I wqent silent early last Tuesday (10th), but not why. I 911'd into Emerg with a lung infection and possible H1N1, but luckily, it wasn't the Piggy-pox. Just Pneumo and Sepsis. And the blasted immuno-surpressants HELPD me in a way, as it prevented my system from fighting harder and forcing my temp too high.

Upside is I'm back out, and feeling ok... downside is they decided to pull my TPN line, and I have to have a fresh one inserted. Family and I can't understand why I wasn't a high priority for doing it while I was right there, but sometimes the hospital beureaucracy is just plain fubar, right? That means until I get the line back in, I'm running on my less-than-sufficient digestive tract... and my energy levels will be poor at best.

And I missed a decent week outside when I could have done some basic epoxy-coating to both the Dauntless and her sister hull the AE.

Boats are looking good guys, and I'll try to figure out where all my pics are, and post some of 'em (and hopefully take some more)

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RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless - 11/19/2009 3:07 PM   
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I'm glad that you are back online & I honestly hope that you feel better!

Hang in there good buddy!

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