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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 6:09 PM   
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The 7CAP is not a module-based transmitter. There is no easy plug-and-play option. Which makes it all the more frustrating that the Futaba FASST system module was only 7 channels!! There is no 7 channel radio that can use it! One more reason why I went with XPS...

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 6:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The origial Futaba 7 channel set was a module based one, when they upgraded ? to the T7CP they went away from the module for this series and beyond, so its possible if the Tx is old enough it may accept a module, strange isn't it you need an old model to use the new technology, but do take note that Futaba based transmitters only transmit up too 8 channels in PPM mode therefore 2.4Ghz is only 8 channel in a Futaba set, using Futaba or a Spektrum module, unless you buy the XtremeLink unit in which case you get no change on the amount of channels in your Tx.

XtremeLink are marketed in Europe by Graupner, mine has been on order for two months from Graupner and I still have not seen it, XtremeLink will not allow anyone in Europe to buy direct from them.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 6:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		XPS is still limited to 8 channels in PPM mode for the 9CAP; however, you can use a 10 channel receiver and independently bind the 9th and 10th channels to any of channels 1-8, eliminating mixing in the transmitter and/or Y-harnesses. That is a feature unique to XPS as far as I know.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 7:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now I did not know that, I belived the advertising (silly me) that you could use the 10 channel Rx and assumed you had 10 fully proportional channels, but I suppose its still better as you can bind them together, how does it do that without Tx mixing? is it by dip switches?

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 7:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		You use blinking lights on the rx. The instructions tell how. Complicated though, but with their XDP thingy that you plug into your computer you can do it with software right on your computer. Simple. Can set failsafes too. Slick as can be.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/28/2008 11:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I've heard a lot of gripes about programming without the XDP, (computer interface sold for about $40) but I had absolutely no problems and everything worked on the very first try on all three aircraft.

I think the XDP will have other uses in the future, which will become available via downloaded software updates. There still is no word on anything telemetry-wise, and now XPS is going to be releasing a 900MHz system. My fear is that the 2.4 GHz system will become less of a priority to them.

Customer service is not as good as it used to be with XPS nowadays. It used to be that if you had a problem, you post on the forum on "the other big site" and Jim Drew would answer your questions there. Now, he has disappeared from the forum and it has taken on a vicious life of its own. I imagine you can still get service via email, however.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/29/2008 1:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		They, like so many other before them have become a victim of their own succes, once they start letting out the distribution to others they loose contact with their customers and as you say it all takes on a life of its own.

I have asked the Graupner distributor for the XDP interface, it will be interesting to see if they have them.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/30/2008 6:02 AM   
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Checkout this video of four F-22 RAPTOR'S!!! I have been trying to gather info about xps in the 9c and if these guys are not having any trouble and trust their Xps modules to this kind of investment I am sold. I keep looking around and pming people off this post and I am getting nothing but positive feedback about this system!!! Now to buy now or wait for next chapter(900mhz) or go to a given JR 10-12x

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/30/2008 7:49 AM   
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I checked my OLD Futaba (Gold case) and it has a module - unfortunately it is much larger than my 8UA transmitter modules. My bad! I don't think the smaller module will work with the old transmitters. I did not try it because the pinout may be different. I guess the universal would be the way to go.

My computer keeps telling me it can't find the XDP! Good Grief! Its right there on the workbench!

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/31/2008 7:17 PM   
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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 1/31/2008 8:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I have now got my XtremeLink/Graupner module for my Futaba Zap, the only bug bear is having to take the existing aerial out of the case, its a real swine, once the aerial is removed there is a brass tube that the aerial fits into that becomes loose inside the case, lots of potential for shorting out something, so the case has to come to bits to get at it, what this has meant is that I can see now how to fit the new aerial into the gimble mounting at the top of the Tx, as soon as the extention co-axial wire arrives from XtreamLink I will post pics of how its done.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/1/2008 5:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did not wait for the extension co-axil the existing one inside the case is long enough, if you have never taken a Tx apart don't worry the Zap is quite an easy conversion you only need to take the back and top off, once you have the top off you will see a white wire going too the aerial position note its route, that will be the same route to take the co-axial for the new aerial, a small hole will need to be drilled in the back of the Tx within the modual position to allow the cable to pass, you will also have to grove the module lower case to allow the cable to be protected when installing the module. Take off the black aerial support unit on top of the tx, just two screws, undo the lower plate support and the allen key frinction bolt and the bottom plate will come off, the ball and support is a push fit in the black aerial support unit, these already have a hole all the way through, inside the ball are two recessed wipers to make aerial contact, the fixing screws will be used to attach the new aerial brass base fixing.

Now make a brass plate to fit inside the ball with three holes one either side to take the existing screws and one large one in the middle to take the aerial base fixing already removed from the modual, screw it all back together and you are finnished.

My camara is not working at the moment, but I will post pics later on this post to clarify anything that is unclear.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/3/2008 6:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing to be carefull of is the pin inside the screw connector is only a push fit inside the plastic isolation unit, therefore if you screw in your aerial and its not in the correct position for folding the aerial, DON't screw the aerial around utill its is in the position you want as this will turn the pin and break the co-axial connection too it, yes I did just that and had to take the whole thing to piece's again to solder the pin back on, I then put a fin of solder on the side of it when I pushed it back into the plactic isolator, this locked it into position with a small dab of CA on the plastic isolator, don't get CA on the pin as this will insulate it. I found this out by doing the instructed range check without the aerial, putting the aerial back in did not make a difference until I re soldered the pin back on, this now all checks out as instructed, to make doubly shure I did an exteame range check with the aerial in and ran out of field distance whilst still having full control with the engine running.

I also do notice the faster servo responce with the new system on the ground also the non buzz of the digital servo's, but don't rearly notice any difference in flight, maybe more precise centering, I don't seem to be changing the trims so often or perhaps I am inproving my flying and compensating on the sticks without knowing.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/6/2008 3:51 PM   
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XPS with EVO9, problem with the antenna

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I´m using XPS since summer last year with my Evo9. Until last weekend I had no problems at all. All of a sudden I lost contact with my glider for a few seconds, which happened several times. Looking for the problem afterwards, I found that there is a point all Evo users should take care of: As you can use the standard antenna channel, it is also possible to vary the angle of the XPS antenna as it was possible with the standard Multiplex antenna. The problem is that you pinch the cable when doing so. This quite obviously was what have happened to me, so I almost cut off the cable without knowing by turning the antenna into an upright position. I´m not aware that there is a warning in the users manual which should be there for sure!

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/6/2008 5:05 PM   
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I´m using XPS since summer last year with my Evo9. Until last weekend I had no problems at all. All of a sudden I lost contact with my glider for a few seconds, which happened several times. Looking for the problem afterwards, I found that there is a point all Evo users should take care of: As you can use the standard antenna channel, it is also possible to vary the angle of the XPS antenna as it was possible with the standard Multiplex antenna. The problem is that you pinch the cable when doing so. This quite obviously was what have happened to me, so I almost cut off the cable without knowing by turning the antenna into an upright position. I´m not aware that there is a warning in the users manual which should be there for sure!

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There may not be any type of advise or warning in the "books" but THANK YOU for posting here. It will help those of use who use the Multiplex system.


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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/6/2008 10:05 PM   
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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/7/2008 1:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I never could explain why it went down. The symptoms were exactly as others have described, it would loose control for a second or two, then regain control, then behave sluggish until it didn’t work at all and failsafe set in, or so I presume. Failsafe was set to default, last position, and thus the plane spiraled, initially slowly since I was in a turn when loosing all control, and then more rapidly as the ailerons kept spiraling it down. Prior to this I had flown without any incidents for months. Probably 50-100 flights. This all happened right in front of me, maybe 400-500 feet away.

This is what was posted on the other web site, and is exactly what I experienced today, I was able to land my plane all be it without a lot of control, but all in one piece, this is new equipment with five Rx's and two modules, I tried the other module with the same results, intermitent control at distance, this equipment is not up to it in my opinion, I will try to get a re-fund from Graupner, will post how I get on.

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Don't appoligise this is exactly the sort of information that we need.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/7/2008 2:44 AM   
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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/7/2008 2:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have through my supplier sent a link of the posted thread to the Uk Graupner rep and Graupner in Germany, it will be interesing to see how they respond, I think I will take a copy of the posts on that link just in case and accident happens and it crash's .

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/8/2008 2:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have now completed my own investigations into the lock out's I was experiencing, the conclusion I have come to is that the IFS system is operating on one channel only in PPM mode and does not jump to another channel when interferance is experienced, you will still have the other atributes of 2.4Ghz i.e. metal too metal contact signal rejection and not being subject too FM interferance from other RC frequancies, but if you get a hit from another 2.4Ghz source (telecommunications microwave communications etc its just like operating on PPM except you get a lock out instead of glitching.

Anyway that is what I have found and is my experience.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/13/2008 3:32 PM   
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As someone said on the above thread, I wonder how long it will be before it is deleted, as far as I could see there was no inflamatory remarks or nocking of the product, just scientific facts of how the XPS system did not jump to another channel when experiencing interfearance, Lucky I took a copy, I will see if I can post it somewhere to be available without cluttering up this thread.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/13/2008 5:06 PM   
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My computer keeps telling me it can't find the XDP! Good Grief! Its right there on the workbench!

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The computer is not looking fot the XDP. Its looking for some device(TX or RX) to connect to. The device has to be in link mode.


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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/13/2008 6:29 PM   
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Sorry, guys, but:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814276


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As someone said on the above thread, I wonder how long it will be before it is deleted, as far as I could see there was no inflamatory remarks or nocking of the product, just scientific facts of how the XPS system did not jump to another channel when experiencing interfearance, Lucky I took a copy, I will see if I can post it somewhere to be available without cluttering up this thread.

Mike


If there's any interest, I can repost my original findings here on RCU as well.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/13/2008 6:37 PM   
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That would help, maybe a blog post on your personnal information page, that at least would not be deleted.

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RE: XtremeLink™ - 2.4GHz for Futaba, JR, and Hitec ra... - 2/13/2008 7:30 PM   
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