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HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 3:58:41 AM   
zackesch



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i am going to get a blade cp soon and it is my first heli. the manual realy dosnt explain how to fly.

my biggest question is that unlike gas, gas keeps running untill you kill the engine. and with electric helis, you bring the throttle down and your heli will follow. what do people do to do aerobatics with electric.

some examples of what im talking about is like when people fly the heli like the tail is ancored to the ground and it keeps bouncing back and forth using cp, what do they do so there heli wont crash? do you bring the trim all the way up so you can get all the control of the cp? is is like a plane by the higher the throttle, the higher the blade speed?


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RE: HELP!! - 9/6/2006 4:01:50 AM   
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I highly suggest Radds school of rotary flight. Im not sure of the address off hand but just earch Radds School of Rotary Flight youll find it. This helped me get off the ground as it has many of us in this forum. Just stick with his program and youll be flying in no time. Its a free thing btw.

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NO I did not just crash!! Im making it flop around on the ground like that on purpose. Its a new stunt.

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RE: HELP!! - 9/6/2006 4:03:59 AM   
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http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html

is this the sight?

can someone clearly explain to me how the cp and throttle work on the same stick w/o them interfearing with eachother?


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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 4:22:13 AM   
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That looks like it should be the URL. I have to say from my own personal experience. I dived into this head (and wallet) first. It worked out alright for me. I was originally gonna follow radds. But who wants to wait all that long to put their new heli through it's paces? Well I did some "back yard hopping" training, and it worked a lot faster then radds. I did thoroughly read through radds though, and I stole some of his principles. I just moved on when I felt comfotable. What radds attempts to do is give you a feel for the heli while it's no the ground. If you complete radds but don't pick that up, you just wasted your time. As long as you can develop that familiarity, you are in the clear, no matter how you learn it.

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RE: HELP!! - 9/6/2006 4:24:56 AM   
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Yah thats the site.

As for the other Q Ill give it a try.

Theres 2 flight modes on the CP and CPPro. Normal and idle up.

Normal mode is for hovering and forward flight and normal maneuvers. As you increase the throttle the pitch also increases which gives you lift. Throttle up = pitch up throttle down = pitch down and land.

Idle up mode is also stunt mode.. You centre the left stick, flip the stunt mode switch and your heli reaches max throttle. So your headspeed is full and your left stick now is used ONLY for pitch adjustment. Stick up = pitch up stick down = pitch down This is what allows ou to go inverted. Inverted you move your stick down and it gives negative pitch which allows your heli to rise. Hope this explains it a little

Hope Im right lol

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RE: HELP!! - 9/6/2006 4:33:04 AM   
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so when in the second stunt mode, the blade speed stays the same?


btw, glad the wife didnt kill you due to the floor


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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 4:54:07 AM   
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He got lucky...








this time. *maniacal laughter*

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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 5:30:55 AM   
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In stunt mode it has a throttle and pitch curve it uses. It's pretty simple, with idle up off; 0% throttle gives you 0 degrees pitch and zero motor speed, at 50% it gives you about 5 degrees positve and half throttle, and at full throttle it gives full pitch, about 10 degrees positive and full throttle. With Idle up on it's; 0% throttle gives you full negative pitch about -10 degrees, and full throttle, at 50% it gives zero pitch and half throttle, and at full throttle it gives full positive pitch and full throttle. I wouldn't worry too much about the idle up other than to be aware that it exists, and to make sure to keep it off until your ready to purposefully invert the helicopter. Key word being purposefully. So it doesn't maintain the full rpms, but it certainly keeps them high. If you have never flown a heli before, I would advise you to try Radd's, especially if you haven't at least flown planes before! Good luck, and don't feel to bad when you crash, everybody does it, several of us at least once a week no matter the skill level. Heck even pro stunt pilots dump their copters occasionally. Just remeber, IT CAN BE FIXED!!! Good luck, and have fun.

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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 9:49:49 PM   
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I was wondering how that work as well. Nice explanations guys/gals.

Thanks
Jimmy

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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/6/2006 11:32:49 PM   
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i think that once you can hover and are progressing to ff, i would suggest the use of the idle up function. when in idle up, it'll keep your headspeed up and you'll do much better in wind, also, when your in fff and you want to stop, pulling bak the elevator will kill the forward momentum but it will be transfer to upward motion as if your doing a stall turn. idle up helps that too. even if your just hovering and you want to try higher altitude hovering, i'd also suggest you use the idle up, if your in normal mode, lowering the throttle will be hardly noticible until a few sec later, your reaction will be to lower the throttle even more, you'll then see it floating down and not long afterward... dropping down like a rock. be careful though if you increase the throttle, do it SLOWLY, if you jab it, the tail will 99.9% swing to the right and cuold get you disoriented. winds and gust will also suddenly increase the altitude of the heli real quick, idle up helps too.

ok... enough with the fff and high hovering... lets get bak to grass roots...

DO NOT use the idle up switch UNLESS you can hover (tail in and side in) VERY comfortably through a whole battery without hairy moments, i'd also suggest you progress into slow ff before going higher than 10ft.

i learnt on my own with a set of training gears before i read radd's. but i'm proud to say that i havent broken a single part while learning to hover. but that's all different now. yesterday, i was doing some fff on my street and and kinda some stall turns, (more like an upside down u) and dunno how, (dumb thumbing i think) i dumped onto the street while doing a right hand turn. so i throttle down, or rather... throttle max and full negative cauz i was flyign in idle up. and after about 2 sec did i realize that i was in idle up. evne though my tail rotor flew 10 feet and the tail gear 10 feet the other way, all i broke was my set of cf blades and bented mainshaft w/ striped gears. it proves how tough this heli is. (i was lucky it didnt burn out the 4 in 1 though. (i didnt put the fuse on it yet, going to)

and zackesch,
buy a set of training gears if you havent already. and make sure your in control of the heli, not the other way around. crashes are gonna happen adn that's sad but very true.

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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/7/2006 3:41:29 AM   
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thanks for the help. im getting the cp on friday. yay im going to go with radds flying program, will be hard to stay with the program but my wallet will be happy if i do


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RE: HELP!! complete newbie - 9/9/2006 3:15:59 AM   
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well. good luck
personally i dun think that following radd's exactly is nessessary, if you feel comfortable...then move on. radd's is really having you to familiarize the controls and the sensitivities of them, so you dont over correct.

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