Dean Pappas
Posts: 163
Joined: 1/27/2004 From: South Plainfield,
NJ, USA Status: offline
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Hi Jim and All, I had not thought that commutation time was that much of an issue, but this jives with what Dave L. and I have been observing: the geared Neu 1515 starts to really shine when you crank the current up, as compared to any of the 4 outrunners we have run. At just under 85 amps, the performance with the Neu is marvelous. Now to deaden the sound of those gears! Okay, so we have several losses in the power system: 1)The no-load current (which is "wasted" changing the direction of the magnetic fields) does not contribute to making torque, 2) The current times R-winding voltage loss. Inrunners win here by as much as a 2:1 or 4:1 ratio. Almost 10% of our battery voltage disappears here, It's the biggie. Add to this the resistance of the ESC and wiring and it gets slightly worse. 3) Gear losses to partially counterract #2, 4) The armature reaction which reduces torque for a given current (think of it as raising Kv under load!) 5) The commutation-current rise time, which as Bob Boucher reminded you "wastes" time every time you change from one winding to the next, Both #4 and #5 raise the peak current that is necessary to achieve an given average current. That's bad all around. Now I have to go put an o'scope and current probe on a motor at high current to see what happens. later, Dean
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