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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 2/24/2008 4:57 PM

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I have G4 set up on my Mac Pro (Nvidia 8800GT) through Boot Camp. Ièm using Vista Home Basic (32-bit) and the game works awesome. I saw fps around 48 on the one flight that I checked.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/2/2008 3:14 AM

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I was just playing with the graphics quality settings while running RealFlight G4 on my Mac Pro. With everything on the highest setting I saw fps as high as 178. However when I went to one of the lakes and used a float plane I could get the fps to go as low as 25, but normally it was 35-75 while on the highest settings. Wow, you can see shadows of trees in the rippling water and rustling leaves - awesome stuff.

Mac Pro with single 2.8GHz quad core, 2GB ram, Nvidia 8800GT, Bootcamp, Windows Vista 32-bit Home Basic. I've ordered the 64-bit version but I don't know if that'll make a difference. Some gaming people have suggested that you need Vista Premium 64-bit to get the most out of the 8800GT but I really don't know if that's true. Anyone know anything about this??

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/13/2008 10:18 PM

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I am ready to upgrade my old sawtooth G4 (macs last longer than this post! javascript:void(AddText('

','')) )with a refurb. Without going back and reading everything in this post, has anyone mentioned the use of the mac mini or which imac could be used? Not being as involved with the inner workings of any past my sawtooth (yes I still AM radios, dont use them, but I have them) Will this work? http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?fnode=home/specialdeals/mac&nplm=FA876LL/A or perhaps this? http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/91214002/wo/zd2gKMb2gfGm3qPF2RF1DVYU8v3/2.?p=0

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/13/2008 10:25 PM

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APPLE guarantees refurbs. It also has the intel chipset so you can run bootcamp or parallels for running Windows. I am an apple person and check the graphics card that is in this one. It may or may not be the most up to date compared to the new macs, especially if you plan on doing a lot with windows based programs. I am a video editor, so I always "jack up the RAM" for best performance.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/13/2008 10:42 PM

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The imac lists this as.....Graphics ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB of GDDR3 memory

Being way behind on what is current....is this enough graphic horsepower to handle the r/c flight sims? and about the only other pc apps I would run would be some CAD applications...

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/14/2008 2:43 AM

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I would go on the apple discussion groups on the apple site and ask a question. those are some "die hard dudes!", and they even put a team together because I had such and unusual problem with a fire wire based audio interface.

Anyway, go into the MAC OS, probably leopard, because apple will not let a computer out without the latest software system (even under warranty: if they have to replace it and you had an older OS), give these guys the specs, tell them what you want and check you inbox in the morning.

hope this helps. they save my butt all the time. video editors can really push software.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/22/2008 2:05 PM

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The small Mac market share doesn't seem to bother the many game developers that develop their games in Windows and later port them to the Mac.
I have several dozen excellent games on my G5 Mac (including x-plane which doesn't hack it for an RC flight sim), most of which were originally Windows games.

The post that a Mac version of G4, Reflex or FSOne would capture a fast hunk of the market is pertinent. Any of the top sims would get a large, fast buy. We long time Mac users (I've been through over a dozen since '84) know why. We spend a little more for the quality and security of the platform. For the history fan, Excel started as Multiplan for the Mac only in the fall of 1984, and then metamorphosed into Excel as Gates climbed on the Mac platform until he got Windoze going on the Itty Bitty Machine.

Business people and companies that needed to do dull stuff cheap (like COBOL applications) gravitated to Gates. Graphics types, engineering firms, gamers, Microsoft Flight Simulator fans, innovators and performance oriented folks stuck to the Macs.

Flight sims are a natural draw for Mac users who love graphics. I don't believe there are that few that are into RC, or would grab a flight sim just for a unique application.
Those of you FS developers that monitor this forum should check out the RC magazines. RC is big and growing, as is the Mac market share. Apple has a lock on the innovation idea and Gates will never catch up as long as Jobs is at the helm.

Count the number of pages just on this forum where RC folks are discussing the issue, and then extrapolate to the entire RC set, Mac users that snap up any Mac game, particularly one where you get to fly an airplane, drive a race car or a boat, and the failure of any one of the top flight sim developers to jump into the market is curious, if not backward. If the cost/return ratio for porting a flight sim or a game, (which are much more complex than an RC FS), to the Mac were that bad, there would be far fewer games available for the Mac.

Just be sure I can plug in my DX6i while you're porting, please, and I'll buy one instantly - any one or more that works on a PowerPC under OSX.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 3/24/2008 10:38 PM

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Gaming on a Mac.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/3/2008 6:09 PM

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I used to have an RC sim on my old G3 that I've had since 1996 (Yes Macs last that long, the G3 still works) but it was for OS 9. I did a search on Version Tracker and found nothing for OS X though so I guess me and my G5 are out of luck. Unfortunetly my G5 isn't a dual boot MAC so I'm gonna have to wait until I get a new Macbook or Macbook Pro.

I'm afraid that since Mac is still such a small market it will be quite awhile before we see a commercial sim come out for our platform, if ever.

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1 DEAD PC that only lasted 1 year. (No it wasn't Compaq trash, just PC trash.)

The Macs still work great, the PC died faster then a snowball in,... well you know. Plus I don't get all those annoying data miners installing themselves on my machine without me knowing it and slowing it down. Not trying to trash PC's, I've just used both and know first hand which is the better computer. I'll never buy a PC again.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/11/2008 8:58 AM

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Is there anyone else out there that wishes they would make a version of this simulator that shot down other planes and ground targets?? I sure would.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/15/2008 3:17 AM

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I have an iMac with the following characteristics:

2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB memory
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8x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB memory

Would it ran the G4 in bootcamp with windows XP ?

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/15/2008 3:49 AM

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it would run it very nicely, actually. I have a Macbook, but I bought it just before Leopard came out...so I have no bootcamp. I''m looking at getting Leopard to install XP to fly on my mac...but I''d pay a lot more for a Mac-compatible simulator!!
WE NEED ONE!!!!!!

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/15/2008 3:50 AM

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1 DEAD PC that only lasted 1 year. (No it wasn''t Compaq trash, just PC trash.)

LoL you know that the hardware in macs is pure pc hardware now with nothing more then a chip added to allow the apple OS to run. I don''t understand why people pay more for an apple just to be limited in software choices and then complain about it

The only thing that should be protested is apple for continuing to limit the softare that their users can run.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/17/2008 2:18 AM

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I have an Apple and I'm not limited in what software I can run. Actually YOU are limited in what software you can run! I can run everything you can run and more. You can't run Apple stuff on your PC, but I run PC stuff on my Mac no prob! It's as easy as holding down the alt key and clicking on PC.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/17/2008 11:27 PM

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Well if you consider running software (esp games/sims and other high hardware req apps) through a windows emulator satisfactory. I wouldn't want to take the performance hit personaly. But I guess you accepted that sacrifice when you gave into the devil and ate the apple err i mean bought the apple.

I have never personaly or even heard of anyone not being able to find a piece of software available for PC that would of been available to get if running Mac. I can't say the same for Mac, I think this thread proves that point well. Why would anyone come out with a unique piece of software and only offer it to the minority (Mac), that wouldn't make any sense.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 1:32 AM

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I don't have to use a software emulator, in fact I don't even have one. I boot up my computer as a PC with a click of a button. In fact I run Crysis on my computer with all settings on high! As for software, it's obvious that you've never used Leopard. It's far superior to XP or Vista (I run Vista on my Mac) and has many features and killer apps that can't be found for the PC. One year ago I would have agreed with you 100% but things have changed tons since then. You might just want to boot up a new Mac - you'd be pleasantly surprised. Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a personal war, I just want people to keep an open mind about Macs. I have a 2.8 GHz quad core PC and my Mac blows it away.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 3:17 AM

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Well if you consider running software (esp games/sims and other high hardware req apps) through a windows emulator satisfactory. I wouldn't want to take the performance hit personaly. But I guess you accepted that sacrifice when you gave into the devil and ate the apple err i mean bought the apple.

I have never personaly or even heard of anyone not being able to find a piece of software available for PC that would of been available to get if running Mac. I can't say the same for Mac, I think this thread proves that point well. Why would anyone come out with a unique piece of software and only offer it to the minority (Mac), that wouldn't make any sense.

Final Cut Pro, Logic. Two applications that you will never see on PC's. And if you say, who'd want to run those? Well if you like music and movies you'll be hard pressed to find a movie or an album that wasn't mixed or edited on a Mac. Go look at benchmarks for apps that are available on PC's and Macs and see for yourself that they run faster on Macs. Oh, and new Macs don't need an emulator so there is no slowdown (and in my experience never was anyway, That's right, I have actual experience). BOTH Operating systems run native on new Macs. See thats the problem, you have no first hand experience with Macs, you are just doing what most PC users do, regurgitating what you have heard, but you have never thought to yourself, "Hey how do I KNOW that Macs are no good". You haven't, your happy to accept the party line thats handed to you. In the gun culture we call them sheeple. Never asking questions or thinking for themselves, just following the flock.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 3:30 AM

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As one of the original posters to this discussion, which is now several years old, (power to us Mac users!) where do we stand on what works and doesn't? I was able to get my controller to work with one of the free softwares on a Power PC Mac without Windows. Who's using a rich PC simulator and how? Please sum up for me.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 3:46 AM

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I'm running Phoenix under XP with Bootcamp & Tiger.

Works fine.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 4:07 AM

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Where can I get bootcamp? A search of the Apple website returned nothing. I'd like to give it a shot on My G5 Power PC with the sim and Tx that came with my Lama.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 5:17 AM

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I think bootcamp only works on the never Intel chip version macs not the old power pc chips. Bootcamp is included in the Leopard operating system that costs $130 or so dollars. There used to be a beta version available but it's now illegal since it's no longer a beta version. Not sure if your computer can run Leopard. I'm sure you could find that out in a jiffy.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 5:48 AM

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I didn't think it worked on the Power PC's but there was always the off chance I was wrong. Oh well, It's about time for a new MacBook anyway.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 4/18/2008 5:59 AM

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It won't work on your G5 Power PC. Only works on Intel based machines.

Good excuse to buy a new Mac.... lol

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 5/5/2008 9:25 PM

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so the only option is to run windows on bootcamp/leopard and then you get a decent sim? that sucks. i'd rather buy a PC to trash with windows, than load it on a pristine mac!

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 5/6/2008 6:28 AM

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The Mac remains pristine because the drive has to be split into tow parts - one the original Mac and another for the PC. There is no connection between the two.

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