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The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/14/2006 8:08:44 PM   
VictoryRoll-91



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Status: offline 		Ok heres the deal. I've heard a lot of people talking about how they want a good RC flight sim for mac. I have a Mac, and REALLY want a sim. So...I'm protesting. This thread is kind of a petition, which I will later be sending to Apple, and most of the major flight sim companies. Maybe I can get someone to make a Mac compatible one. All you have to do is post that you are for it or against it, and why you want one made, and maybe with some help, we can make this happen. Thanks A lot,
Austin

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/14/2006 9:44:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or you can just run Boot camp, you will probably get some sort of response from Apple to that effect now that their whole linup can run boot camp on the intel based Mac's. Although I don't run any SIM's (yet) I do run a couple of games on my intel based mac and they run great, I will be purchasing a SIM this winter to run on it.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/14/2006 10:27:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I too am frustrated, and would purchase a simulator if it would run on a pure Mac.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/15/2006 12:11:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure boot camp is great, and that might be what my options come down to, but I just really think a sim that is purely made for mac, would be great.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/15/2006 2:46:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Put me down as another Mac person.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/15/2006 6:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi,
I'm with you. I too would appreciate flight simulators for Mac.
The lack of good flight simulations - especially rc-simulators - is one big reason for me to still use Windows.
I welcome the day when this changes!

Lego

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/15/2006 7:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		That day may never come. Mac software market is 1% of the PC software market. The RC simulators market is so small that no major game development company would even consider. Take 1% of that tiny marlet - and we are talking for may be 100 customers a year for the whole planet!

Stefan
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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/16/2006 11:06:06 AM   
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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/17/2006 12:47:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think anyone is trying to say that the Mac is not a good computer, the numbers are the problem. RC Simulator programs are a VERY small market area, and if you were to take 1% of that market, you would NEVER recover your development costs. All the protests in the world aren't going to help. There needs to be more Macs before you're going to get a sim for it. It's simply a matter of numbers.

To put it another way, my Segway is a great device, but there are many times more bicycles in the world, so they get priority when it comes to product developments. You simply have to look at market share, and you'll understand why protesting isn't going to help.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/17/2006 1:50:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do understand that it's about numbers, but I also believing that ever since the coming of the iPod, any and all things apple are on the up and up. So maybe one day one will be made.....but the protest must go on. Hopefully I can keep this thread going long enough so I willl at least be able to send them a link.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/18/2006 3:34:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, you still don't seem to have a firm grasp of the situation. I'm sure Apple is doing fine, and they are making money, but there just aren't enough people that use the Mac to justify spending many thousands of dollars to create a piece of software that MIGHT make back a couple of thousand dollars. There's no money in it. If I were a software developer, I would look at the number of Macs in use, and then figure that perhaps .0001% of that number might buy my program. With a Mac, the installed user base just isn't large enough.

How much would you pay for an RC Flight Sim for the Mac? A best guess scenario, assuming there are 5% of the Macs that there are PCs, and the same percentage of users would buy the simulator, you are looking at a price 20 times higher than the current simulators. That's going to cut into the number that are willing to buy even further, so you're probably looking at more like 50 times the amount. At that price point, I doubt you'd sell ANY so the entire cost of development would be down the toilet. Protesting won't help, go out and sell a few million Macs, then come back, and we'll talk further! :-)

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/18/2006 5:09:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		While I agree with the people who have posted about a Mac sim being a niche app for a niche group there is one thing that needs to be mentioned...the killer app.

A killer app is one that is so compelling/great/useful that it will cause people to buy what is necessary to run the killer app.

If someone did develop a an RC flight sim for Mac that was so far above what is out there now would people buy a Mac to run it?

I would say no, but it is something to think about.

Also, there is one more X-Factor and that is someone who would develop it for free (or open source). Not everyone is motivated by money alone.

I don't think these things are going to happen anytime soon. Just some thoughts.

Was at the Apple store today and seen the new 24" iMac. I want one!!!

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/18/2006 10:07:13 PM   
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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/20/2006 1:34:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am afraid I am slowly starting the switch to MAC as well. (once you go Mac...) Yet I feel I need a PC in the house just to run the flight sim...doesn't seem worth it. Is anyone running any sim on Parallels or Boot Camp? What is the performance like?

Thanks,
Rob

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/20/2006 4:00:32 AM   
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I am afraid I am slowly starting the switch to MAC as well. (once you go Mac...) Yet I feel I need a PC in the house just to run the flight sim...doesn't seem worth it. Is anyone running any sim on Parallels or Boot Camp? What is the performance like?

Thanks,
Rob


If you own one of the sims, take it to the Apple store one morning when they aren't too busy and see if you can try it out.

The new 24" iMac has an Nvidia GeForce 7300 (optional 7600) which should work great with any Sim. Also has Core Duo procesor. With Boot Camp it is the same as any Windows box.

Finally, Apple gives you 15 days to return a Mac, but you do pay a 10% restock fee.

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RE: The "Flight Sim for Mac" Protest! - 9/21/2006 4:12:17 AM   
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